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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
November 06 2011 17:44 GMT
#1841
On November 07 2011 02:13 ExoFun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 22:27 Shiv. wrote:
On November 06 2011 22:14 RogerX wrote:
Lol top laned against Wukong as Talon, couldn't do crap cus he had around 80 armor before lvl 6 ~_~ insane.

70 Armor at level 1 isn't even that uncommon, is it? :D

I'm really losing sympathy for Dignitas at the moment. First the whole scumbag Jatt incident, now scarra revealing how much money TSM supposedly made like it's ANY of his business... They are still my favourite team to watch by far, but I'm not sure if I'd be any sad if they lose an important game at this point.


Where did you got that info that he is talking about TSM how much they recieve.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12172837
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 06 2011 17:57 GMT
#1842
What's the best way to itemize wukong? Open cloth + hpot/mpot => wriggles? Or do a philo stone opening? From there, then what? I feel like ghostblade would work very well on him for the ARpen and CDR. Normally I'd consider atmogs, but I think that you'd be giving up wukong's strong and abusive early game. Maybe randuins or sunfire instead for defense?
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 18:00:32
November 06 2011 18:00 GMT
#1843
Chauster´s Xerath from MLG Providence
Xerath nerfbat soon?
in The Kong line forever
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 06 2011 18:02 GMT
#1844
On November 06 2011 19:52 Alzadar wrote:
Why do I never see Galio except during Galio's free week? He seems so strong and I always see people do well with him (when he's free).

(a bit late)
He's 6300 IP but doesn't look like it :D They should put his price down a little.
The legend of Darien lives on
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
November 06 2011 18:03 GMT
#1845
On November 06 2011 12:44 Hynda wrote:
I have no fucking clue how to get people to listen. No matter how hard I carry I lose so many games because people just refuse to listen. My last 5 loses have all been games that would have been easily won if people would just do as I said. I've tried every possible tone of voice to get them to do this but it just doesn't work. Being nice, mad, firm, happy nothing. That is the secret I want to know from the people at the top, cause even when they are trolling on alts they get people to do what they tell em to do.


the trick is not to boss people around with words. use actions only , sometimes ping to remind people of minimap. but if you tell them what to do itll just cause stupid arguing most of the time. act on your own, if you get a good start team will automatically follow your actions. if the team does something really stupid, dont follow through, just distance yourself and try to make the best of the situation. hopefully they will realize in retrospect why, but even if they blame you for their mistakes its important not to retort, since that will just worsen the atmosphere. I feel that I can carry the team best when im on ignore all, i usually just put it on if my team argues in champselect (which is very common especially in europe)
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 18:26:56
November 06 2011 18:26 GMT
#1846
On November 07 2011 03:00 HeadhunteR wrote:
Chauster´s Xerath from MLG Providence
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SkYRq6Gt-o&feature=youtu.be Xerath nerfbat soon?

Nerf Xerath because that brand is awful?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
November 06 2011 18:28 GMT
#1847
On November 07 2011 03:03 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 12:44 Hynda wrote:
I have no fucking clue how to get people to listen. No matter how hard I carry I lose so many games because people just refuse to listen. My last 5 loses have all been games that would have been easily won if people would just do as I said. I've tried every possible tone of voice to get them to do this but it just doesn't work. Being nice, mad, firm, happy nothing. That is the secret I want to know from the people at the top, cause even when they are trolling on alts they get people to do what they tell em to do.


the trick is not to boss people around with words. use actions only , sometimes ping to remind people of minimap. but if you tell them what to do itll just cause stupid arguing most of the time. act on your own, if you get a good start team will automatically follow your actions. if the team does something really stupid, dont follow through, just distance yourself and try to make the best of the situation. hopefully they will realize in retrospect why, but even if they blame you for their mistakes its important not to retort, since that will just worsen the atmosphere. I feel that I can carry the team best when im on ignore all, i usually just put it on if my team argues in champselect (which is very common especially in europe)

There's no magic trick. 50% of all people in soloqueue are childish ragers, end of story.
twitch.tv/cratonz
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 18:32:50
November 06 2011 18:30 GMT
#1848
On November 07 2011 02:57 xDaunt wrote:
What's the best way to itemize wukong? Open cloth + hpot/mpot => wriggles? Or do a philo stone opening? From there, then what? I feel like ghostblade would work very well on him for the ARpen and CDR. Normally I'd consider atmogs, but I think that you'd be giving up wukong's strong and abusive early game. Maybe randuins or sunfire instead for defense?


I go Cloth/5 pots, Wriggles, Sheen, then Atmogs. Finish up Triforce and go from there.

On November 06 2011 19:52 Alzadar wrote:
Why do I never see Galio except during Galio's free week? He seems so strong and I always see people do well with him (when he's free).


Because he's 6300 IP and no one really likes playing tanks. Especially supporty tanks.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
November 06 2011 18:32 GMT
#1849
On November 07 2011 03:00 HeadhunteR wrote:
Chauster´s Xerath from MLG Providence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SkYRq6Gt-o&feature=youtu.be Xerath nerfbat soon?

His Qs are scary sometimes.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 06 2011 18:34 GMT
#1850
On November 07 2011 03:03 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 12:44 Hynda wrote:
I have no fucking clue how to get people to listen. No matter how hard I carry I lose so many games because people just refuse to listen. My last 5 loses have all been games that would have been easily won if people would just do as I said. I've tried every possible tone of voice to get them to do this but it just doesn't work. Being nice, mad, firm, happy nothing. That is the secret I want to know from the people at the top, cause even when they are trolling on alts they get people to do what they tell em to do.


the trick is not to boss people around with words. use actions only , sometimes ping to remind people of minimap. but if you tell them what to do itll just cause stupid arguing most of the time. act on your own, if you get a good start team will automatically follow your actions. if the team does something really stupid, dont follow through, just distance yourself and try to make the best of the situation. hopefully they will realize in retrospect why, but even if they blame you for their mistakes its important not to retort, since that will just worsen the atmosphere. I feel that I can carry the team best when im on ignore all, i usually just put it on if my team argues in champselect (which is very common especially in europe)

You can use words, if you go 7-0 your team usually does whatever you say. Duo q with someone and have them follow what you say. People are like sheep, if only you tell them to go to baron they will be like fuck you but if you just ping it and start walking over and have your buddy do the same the rest of the team will trickle in. Just don't try ordering someone around when you're negative or people will laugh at you.
:)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 18:36:27
November 06 2011 18:36 GMT
#1851
It really doesn't matter. I've had just as many people go full retard when i'm 10-0 as when I'm 0-10.

+ Show Spoiler +
I've never actually gone 0-10, but the point is people are morons no matter what.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
November 06 2011 19:07 GMT
#1852
On November 07 2011 03:36 Craton wrote:
It really doesn't matter. I've had just as many people go full retard when i'm 10-0 as when I'm 0-10.

+ Show Spoiler +
I've never actually gone 0-10, but the point is people are morons no matter what.


why are you being so negative? It doesn't HAVE to matter, some games are just unwinnable sure, but in many cases it can make a difference enough for your team to win.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 06 2011 19:21 GMT
#1853
And I have won games where I go 0-10! \o/
Like I am a bad player and stuff but I can tell when someone is good or bad at this game. I can tell when a call is good or bad sometimes, I am just incapable of making good calls and good decisions on the spot myself because I'm retarded and I think very slowly. I can say that pretty much all of my friends who complain about their elo and have played 50+ games are at the elo they belong at - I've played games at every elo from 1k to 2k (super high/low elo games not on my account duh) but I only hear about the games they lose and not the games they stomped and got 20 min surrender. When they get better, their elo goes up. Weird how it works, eh?
:)
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 06 2011 19:30 GMT
#1854
On November 07 2011 03:03 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 12:44 Hynda wrote:
I have no fucking clue how to get people to listen. No matter how hard I carry I lose so many games because people just refuse to listen. My last 5 loses have all been games that would have been easily won if people would just do as I said. I've tried every possible tone of voice to get them to do this but it just doesn't work. Being nice, mad, firm, happy nothing. That is the secret I want to know from the people at the top, cause even when they are trolling on alts they get people to do what they tell em to do.


the trick is not to boss people around with words. use actions only , sometimes ping to remind people of minimap. but if you tell them what to do itll just cause stupid arguing most of the time. act on your own, if you get a good start team will automatically follow your actions. if the team does something really stupid, dont follow through, just distance yourself and try to make the best of the situation. hopefully they will realize in retrospect why, but even if they blame you for their mistakes its important not to retort, since that will just worsen the atmosphere. I feel that I can carry the team best when im on ignore all, i usually just put it on if my team argues in champselect (which is very common especially in europe)


From my experience, buying a few extra wards, using my starcraft skill to watch minimap and babysit my team as a support, and spamming pings usually gets people to listen far better than telling them. Generally if you tell people with text to go dragon after killing the AD bot and cv'ing the jungler on the wrong side of the map, half will come. If you ping dragon half a dozen times, they'll all come.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 06 2011 19:33 GMT
#1855
On November 07 2011 04:21 unichan wrote:
And I have won games where I go 0-10! \o/
Like I am a bad player and stuff but I can tell when someone is good or bad at this game. I can tell when a call is good or bad sometimes, I am just incapable of making good calls and good decisions on the spot myself because I'm retarded and I think very slowly. I can say that pretty much all of my friends who complain about their elo and have played 50+ games are at the elo they belong at - I've played games at every elo from 1k to 2k (super high/low elo games not on my account duh) but I only hear about the games they lose and not the games they stomped and got 20 min surrender. When they get better, their elo goes up. Weird how it works, eh?


I agree for the most part. There are games where I play terribly, and then games I dominate in. But I was at 1560 at one point, and should have gone higher if not for a streak of trolls that brought me to 1415. I know I'm better than most people at my elo. I do have a bad habit of tilting though, which will often cause me to lose some games.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
November 06 2011 19:40 GMT
#1856
On November 06 2011 19:52 Alzadar wrote:
Why do I never see Galio except during Galio's free week? He seems so strong and I always see people do well with him (when he's free).


Galio doesn't fit into the meta game too well.

Tanky ADs is meta game. Thats usually someone like Nasus Udyr or Irelia top and then the jungler will be tanky as well (Udyr Trundle Lee Sin etc.) Galio can go mid to take the roll of your caster, but thats not that good of an idea imo. He has nice skills, but his damage output isn't enough.

His passive won't really help in either in the long run. If you have 3 ADs caster and support, you need to stress armor more than MR, which means less AP.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 06 2011 19:45 GMT
#1857
On November 07 2011 04:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 19:52 Alzadar wrote:
Why do I never see Galio except during Galio's free week? He seems so strong and I always see people do well with him (when he's free).


Galio doesn't fit into the meta game too well.

Tanky ADs is meta game. Thats usually someone like Nasus Udyr or Irelia top and then the jungler will be tanky as well (Udyr Trundle Lee Sin etc.) Galio can go mid to take the roll of your caster, but thats not that good of an idea imo. He has nice skills, but his damage output isn't enough.

His passive won't really help in either in the long run. If you have 3 ADs caster and support, you need to stress armor more than MR, which means less AP.

This is so false -.-

Galio does just fine top lane. He's a phenomenal farmer and can hold his lane against almost anyone. Just because the other team is AD heavy doesn't mean you can't pick Galio. It just means you wont be taking advantage of your passive, which is okay, because all you need to do well as Galio is to land ur ult.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 06 2011 19:49 GMT
#1858
If you watched any tournaments in the last couple months you'd know galio is a very, very strong pick and was banned multiple times.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 06 2011 20:02 GMT
#1859
On November 07 2011 02:41 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 02:32 Inschato wrote:
On November 07 2011 02:23 -Kato- wrote:
On November 07 2011 02:11 Inschato wrote:
On November 07 2011 01:12 JackDino wrote:
On November 07 2011 00:49 RogerX wrote:
Try playing Galio with Amumu + Nunu

or fiddle, probably fiddle.

Or janna. The joys of soloq.

That team too AoE Magic heavy, if the enemy survives with even 10% health you won't actually kill any of them. Throw in Wukong for imbalanced AoE ult with some actual single target ability.


If they survive with 10% hp then get towers dragons barons and nexuseses.

No see because you don't survive.


I don't really know if I believe that in the slightest. If We knock them down to 10% life it takes an extreme amount of discipline to not immediately flee in solo queue (considering we should be at almost full health after this because WotA) and all of those champions have some decent damage dealing abilities outside their ult (barring mummy, but he still does % health damage) and decent CC (fear, slow, stun).

If we're talking solo queue, getting people to pick what YOU want them to pick is basically next to impossible. People will pick what they feel like playing, and somebody they don't know who might be terrible isn't going to make them change their mind.

In arranged stuff like Galio/Nunu or Galio/Fiddle is situationally OK, depending on how hard your opponent counterpicks it when you reveal one or both picks (realistically that means getting Galio early, because he's high value, and trying to sneak Fiddle or Nunu last-pick). It's obviously strong when executed well, but a very disciplined Janna player for example can make your execution very difficult.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 06 2011 20:03 GMT
#1860
It's because nobody likes to play galio.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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