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Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 03 2011 01:56 GMT
#841
On November 03 2011 10:48 Juicyfruit wrote:
Smash Irelia vs Inept's GP match as part of the show, go go go.


when is that happening anyway
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 03 2011 01:57 GMT
#842
On November 03 2011 10:56 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 10:48 Juicyfruit wrote:
Smash Irelia vs Inept's GP match as part of the show, go go go.


when is that happening anyway


On the first episode of TL Round Table.

Also, that show needs guest star Caller from time to time.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 03 2011 01:57 GMT
#843
You would even work the "Brave" meme into the title of this TL roundtable. lol
Never Knows Best.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 03 2011 01:58 GMT
#844
On November 03 2011 10:57 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 10:56 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 03 2011 10:48 Juicyfruit wrote:
Smash Irelia vs Inept's GP match as part of the show, go go go.


when is that happening anyway


On the first episode of TL Round Table.

Also, that show needs guest star Caller from time to time.


Oh dear lord. THE INSANITY
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 03 2011 01:59 GMT
#845
On November 03 2011 10:57 Slaughter wrote:
You would even work the "Brave" meme into the title of this TL roundtable. lol


Let's be honest here, after locodoco and LoCicero, Caller is probably the most e-famous LoL TLer even if people don't know his name. But yes, TL Brave Table should be new name imoimo.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
November 03 2011 02:00 GMT
#846
He quit his job to do this, hahaha. What an adventurous guy.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 03 2011 02:01 GMT
#847
On November 03 2011 11:00 Irave wrote:
He quit his job to do this, hahaha. What an adventurous guy.


Travis? That's pretty ballsy if true. And if he wasn't working at taco bell.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 03 2011 02:02 GMT
#848
"the meta is...y'know, jungler...ad guy and uhhhh support...tanky guy somewhere and a mage thing"
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
November 03 2011 02:05 GMT
#849
On November 03 2011 11:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 11:00 Irave wrote:
He quit his job to do this, hahaha. What an adventurous guy.


Travis? That's pretty ballsy if true. And if he wasn't working at taco bell.

Yea no idea what his previous job was, he is working on a website too =/
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 03 2011 02:05 GMT
#850
LoCi Lux sooooo strong.
currently rooting for myself.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 03 2011 02:07 GMT
#851
On November 03 2011 11:05 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 11:01 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 03 2011 11:00 Irave wrote:
He quit his job to do this, hahaha. What an adventurous guy.


Travis? That's pretty ballsy if true. And if he wasn't working at taco bell.

Yea no idea what his previous job was, he is working on a website too =/


iirc, he worked for an indie games company. So not much better than Taco Bell honestly.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
November 03 2011 02:09 GMT
#852
On November 03 2011 11:05 Shiv. wrote:
LoCi Lux sooooo strong.


That game was silly. 4 melee, give up FB due to absent-minded Kassadin and obvious bait by Annie... then steamroll the everloving fuck out of the other team.

Dragonlady Jungle looks pretty strong. Not sick tier, but strong and durable.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 02:15:37
November 03 2011 02:13 GMT
#853
Well there is already a lolpodcast called Summoner's Round Table although it only has 3 episodes and gives bad advice (tear on Singed is where I stopped listening).

As for a TL podcast I'd listen to it given I go to TL for LoL advice, but I'm not sure how it would appeal to the rest of the LoL community. Some of the pro LoL players are also big SC2/TL users or at least fans, but the rest of the LoL community just uses the LoL forums and wouldn't see a reason to listen to what an SC site has to say. Granted podcasts aren't really made to make money, but viewer numbers are still important.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 03 2011 02:15 GMT
#854
On another note, Doublelift made SUCH a valid point when saying just because stuff isn't played in tournaments, it does not mean it isn't viable. Release Talon / current WuKong / Shaco / Sion / Tryndamere a couple of weeks ago / KATAFRICKINRINA are some good examples in my opinion. I often feel pro LoL players have their game not quite as figured out as players of other games. World of Warcraft for example is theorycrafted up to the last item. People KNOW what is best. Same goes for DotA, people KNOW their stuff. I often feel like LoL pros disregard stuff too early. Xerath was frickin superstrong from the very beginning, yet a lot of people thought he sucked. First time HSGG played Talon, he was ranting about how he was one of the worst champs EVER. It's stuff like that that really makes me think.
currently rooting for myself.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 03 2011 02:17 GMT
#855
On November 03 2011 11:15 Shiv. wrote:
On another note, Doublelift made SUCH a valid point when saying just because stuff isn't played in tournaments, it does not mean it isn't viable. Release Talon / current WuKong / Shaco / Sion / Tryndamere a couple of weeks ago / KATAFRICKINRINA are some good examples in my opinion. I often feel pro LoL players have their game not quite as figured out as players of other games. World of Warcraft for example is theorycrafted up to the last item. People KNOW what is best. Same goes for DotA, people KNOW their stuff. I often feel like LoL pros disregard stuff too early. Xerath was frickin superstrong from the very beginning, yet a lot of people thought he sucked. First time HSGG played Talon, he was ranting about how he was one of the worst champs EVER. It's stuff like that that really makes me think.


Agreed. I realized Xerath's strength within the first couple of games I used him in.

It also got me thinking that I want to start trying out Karma mid. I used to enjoy her on release, and I do think she's really underrepresented (as gman said).
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
November 03 2011 02:20 GMT
#856
On November 03 2011 11:13 BlackMagister wrote:
Well there is already a lolpodcast called Summoner's Round Table although it only has 3 episodes and gives bad advice (tear on Singed is where I stopped listening).

As for a TL podcast I'd listen to it given I go to TL for LoL advice, but I'm not sure how it would appeal to the rest of the LoL community. Some of the pro LoL players are also big SC2/TL users or at least fans, but the rest of the LoL community just uses the LoL forums and wouldn't see a reason to listen to what an SC site has to say. Granted podcasts aren't really made to make money, but viewer numbers are still important.


I think it's easier just to make it a podcast (audio only) rather than a streamed show. Whose stream is it going to be on (and get the ad money)? It might not be much but maybe the 'pillars' will have to agree on it before things get out of hand. Maybe they could make it a fundraising thing for TL inhouse tournaments or sponsor TL B team to enter tournaments like MLG.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 02:22:06
November 03 2011 02:21 GMT
#857
Every champion in the game is useful, either in or against some team composition. It comes down to how well people understand the game as far as when to pick certain champions.

I think most higher-level players know more about that than they let on (pretty much every team has "trump-card" stuff they save for tournaments so lots of people aren't going to straight up say they know X champion is strong), and it should be pretty apparent that below that, most people have no idea how to play the draft correctly (largely because solo queue is an extremely poor way to practice it).
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 03 2011 02:22 GMT
#858
WCG decision making aside, Jatt seems like a gud gai. He gives decent, thoughtful responses.
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OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
November 03 2011 02:23 GMT
#859
On November 03 2011 11:15 Shiv. wrote:
On another note, Doublelift made SUCH a valid point when saying just because stuff isn't played in tournaments, it does not mean it isn't viable. Release Talon / current WuKong / Shaco / Sion / Tryndamere a couple of weeks ago / KATAFRICKINRINA are some good examples in my opinion. I often feel pro LoL players have their game not quite as figured out as players of other games. World of Warcraft for example is theorycrafted up to the last item. People KNOW what is best. Same goes for DotA, people KNOW their stuff. I often feel like LoL pros disregard stuff too early. Xerath was frickin superstrong from the very beginning, yet a lot of people thought he sucked. First time HSGG played Talon, he was ranting about how he was one of the worst champs EVER. It's stuff like that that really makes me think.


I think that comes from the fact that there are so many champions and they keep releasing new ones. People haven't even mastered all of the old champions, there's just no chance to spend a lot of time learning new champions when they haven't even mastered the old ones.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
November 03 2011 02:23 GMT
#860
On November 03 2011 11:15 Shiv. wrote:
On another note, Doublelift made SUCH a valid point when saying just because stuff isn't played in tournaments, it does not mean it isn't viable. Release Talon / current WuKong / Shaco / Sion / Tryndamere a couple of weeks ago / KATAFRICKINRINA are some good examples in my opinion. I often feel pro LoL players have their game not quite as figured out as players of other games. World of Warcraft for example is theorycrafted up to the last item. People KNOW what is best. Same goes for DotA, people KNOW their stuff. I often feel like LoL pros disregard stuff too early. Xerath was frickin superstrong from the very beginning, yet a lot of people thought he sucked. First time HSGG played Talon, he was ranting about how he was one of the worst champs EVER. It's stuff like that that really makes me think.


Well, a lot of times, too, good team comps and strategies can compensate for champions that are weak on paper. I think it's funny that Elementz released his solo-queue tier list for the Graves patch and Heimerdinger was in his newly created Tier 5 (uber-shit tier). Think back to Dan Dinh being a real terror on his Heimerdinger at IPL. Lots of stuff is viable, it just isn't universally viable against all comps.

I think your point though is that some things aren't just situational, they're actually really strong, but people don't recognize it. I think that's natural. People are lemmings and are afraid of losing ELO. They'll play what the pros they watch on stream and the people they read on forums tell them is the most effective way to win games. I don't blame them. Why wouldn't they do that? Once a pro takes a champion and dominates a tourney game or ladder session with them, I think that translates instantly to more popularity on the ladder.
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