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sRapers_ValkS
United States644 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:07 Craton wrote: What are some good laners to shit on Sion with? I would think a lot of the top bruisers would do it. swain shits on sion with e -> q max, especially after you start getting blues | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
E is a decent poke, though it's got a fairly high cd, and Q makes E do way more damage Leveling W is 5% more speed per level (good not amazing) and more damage per level but not as much burst as EQ EQ is also more AoE damage than W in fights if you can E the entire team. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:07 Craton wrote: What are some good laners to shit on Sion with? I would think a lot of the top bruisers would do it. Annie Q-W should pop his shield. Risu asked me to 1v1 him with (me on Sion having never played him before with no proper AP runes and no idea wtf to do, him on Annie) and he kept popping my shield with good Q-Ws. Although, after I got some farm I just started killing him even though I walked into Tibbers Stuns all day even though he was a few levels ahead and had more gold. Idk, Sion is just silly atm. I suppose anyone who is good early on and has some decent CC could do fine. Do Ryze's spell outrange Sion? Might work. Re Shyvana: Haven't played her but just looking at the numbers W does more damage than a single E if you can get them stay in it for 4+ seconds. However, E has more burst damage and if you combo auto+Q onto it is just under 400 magic damage when maxed. E>Q>W for max damage maybe? Esp in dragon form where you can AoE spam down people and keep stacking those 15% bonus damage. Looking at her though it seems one of her strengths would be flexibility in skill order and having her damage split between physical and magic so it's hard to spec against her. Again, this is all theorycraft more than anything else so take this with a healthy dose of salt. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Basically people are maxing E last because it's a skillshot, it does magic damage and scales off AP, and W does more damage. I'm not sure if Q would hit harder or not. I could see an argument for maxing E over Q but maxing W first makes the most sense whether you're laning or jungling her. Max level E is going to do 260 magic damage and debuff target, max level Q assuming no AD items and AD quints is going to do 119 damagex2 (238). How big is the AoE of Q in dragon form? Cause at max rank of E your autos are going to do an additional 39 magic damage to debuffed targets so I think the damage is pretty close but it's probably in E's favor. Although Q is more reliable since it isn't a skill shot. The deciding factor for me will be how big the AoE of Q in dragon form is and if you buy items with on-hit effects (you probably will). edit: Also 50% movespeed over 30% is pretty huge. It might only be 5% per level but I would never max W last on her. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
EDIT: On State of the League | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:47 Takkara wrote: Jatt saying "he didn't know" about WCG dual-citizenship rules. Said he was just going to play for both teams because he "committed" to them. Talking REALLY slowly to avoid tripping up in his own bullshit. EDIT: On State of the League He came across well imo. I'm still not happy with how Dignitas handled it but I do agree with him and what others on that show said in that the vast majority of the anger should be focused at WCG. Also, Guardsman Bob was pretty accurate when he said they need to make rules that aren't super vague. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22009 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:47 Takkara wrote: Jatt saying "he didn't know" about WCG dual-citizenship rules. Said he was just going to play for both teams because he "committed" to them. Talking REALLY slowly to avoid tripping up in his own bullshit. EDIT: On State of the League While i am not watching atm i assume he watched fuck slasher and has seen regis bad performance. Hence taking his time and making sure he doesnt make a fool of himself more then he already has | ||
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Icysoul
Canada254 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:02 HazMat wrote: Can this Travis guy PLEASE stop nut riding Marcou. I don't care if he's a cool guy in real life, he's a fucking terrible ESPORTS manager and doesn't deserve his job. Travis nut rides every riot decision. Its not new. Dude is a shitty host. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
Is it always this bad? Horrible host and incredibly dull show. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:08 UniversalSnip wrote: He does indeed slurp riot's nuts. He's made his position pretty clear, he will never say anything negative about riot because he wants them to come on his show. That's not something I've inferred, he's very up front about it. That and his gf works at Riot. Can't publicly shame them or things could get messy. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:26 overt wrote: People have been maxing E last for a couple of reasons. First, most people are building Shyvana as an AD bruiser and maxing a skillshot that deals magic damage and scales off AP just doesn't make a ton of sense. Second, levels in W increase your move speed as well as the damage it does per second and while it's bad in the sense that it pushes up the lane it also farms pretty well and will let you win fights you otherwise wouldn't have won (85 damage per second, if you can get it to max duration that's 85 damage over 6 seconds before factoring in the AD scaling). W's duration actually goes from 3 to 9 seconds. The tooltip is really poorly worded. Third, Q has a lower cooldown and each level in it reduces the cooldown (although additional levels in E reduce its cooldown as well). The other thing about Q is that at level 1 it's going to do 80% of your attack damage and at max rank it'll do 100%. It's actually 180% to 200%. The first hit is always 100%, the second hit scales. You level it more for the cd than the AD scaling. edit: Also 50% movespeed over 30% is pretty huge. It might only be 5% per level but I would never max W last on her. Keep in mind also that the bonus decreases over time. I'd think it was completely linear but it probably interacts oddly with increasing the duration. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:08 UniversalSnip wrote: He does indeed slurp riot's nuts. He's made his position pretty clear, he will never say anything negative about riot because he wants them to come on his show. That's not something I've inferred from watching (I don't), he's very up front about it, he feels if he criticizes riot they will never talk to him and the show will descend into a landslide of negativity. I've heard he's dating a girl that works for Riot. Don't know how true that is but it wouldn't surprise me. | ||
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