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On November 03 2011 06:02 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 05:51 Brees wrote:On November 03 2011 05:45 Requizen wrote:
Been doing the Trinity rush Ezreal lately, but hell, there's no damage with that build. I run fast, poke well, and can kite, but I can't kill worth anything. You think the utility outweighs the damage loss from going AD items? Or should I just do the normal AD type builds? pretty much every top ezrael player ive seen does the d-blade --> wriggle's --> cd boots --> triforce. So i think you are on the right track. If your gonna buy damage items might as well play a different AD carry, they do it better That is also due to the fact he is often being used in poke comps, though. I have seen multiple high level players go Brutalizer->Bloodthirster. Know what your teamcomp does and build accordingly, imo.
Yeah, Bruta/BT feels more straight up damaging if you go for a lot of engages, which is mostly what it is around my level.
I dunno, it's hard to judge what people are going to play like in randoms and build accordingly.
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Triforce will make you do more damage on Ez than any equivalent amount of gold in other items(even an IE) unless you are getting them extremely early when your base damage is still low for it to work off of. You can still get IE later also(Triforce+IE instead of IE+PD).
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On November 03 2011 06:20 red_ wrote:
Triforce will make you do more damage on Ez than any equivalent amount of gold in other items(even an IE) unless you are getting them extremely early when your base damage is still low for it to work off of. You can still get IE later also(Triforce+IE instead of IE+PD).
Why do you say that though? I know the proc in insane (why I open Sheen a lot), but my autos and Ult don't feel as damaging as they would with a BT or IE.
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On November 03 2011 06:22 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 06:20 red_ wrote:
Triforce will make you do more damage on Ez than any equivalent amount of gold in other items(even an IE) unless you are getting them extremely early when your base damage is still low for it to work off of. You can still get IE later also(Triforce+IE instead of IE+PD). Why do you say that though? I know the proc in insane (why I open Sheen a lot), but my autos and Ult don't feel as damaging as they would with a BT or IE.
The attack speed+crit of zeal can't be ignored, nor can the phage proc(especially early-ish when your jungler is likely taking reds still for ganking). If you can get a fast BT it's probably better, but IE's extra price and building blocks won't be as good leading up to it, and unless you can make 100% use of your autos definitely won't win out in overall damage.
You Q every other second as long as you are hitting it, that's a huge portion of your damage.
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On November 03 2011 05:05 LlOoKkIi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 05:00 gaizka wrote:On November 03 2011 04:57 Slaughter wrote:
I just played a game with the new champ, seems kinda fun. Everyone seems to be building her more as an AD carry but wouldn't she benefit from a partial hybrid maybe? Hybrid as in AD/AP or like AD/AS? I dont think ap is good for shiva. I'm liking going wriggles>wits>madreds>fratmas Yeah I have been going similar build to you as well and working out quite well but prefer sword of the divine over wits. Def one of my favorite champs released in a while.
Wits is better for her IMO. Your damage is mixed-type, so ArPen isn't that great of a stat for you, plus Wit's is generally more cost-effective for the baseline stats on it.
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I think the problem with Ezreal is that he doesn't get super-scary even when fed, like Vayne or someone, so he's less good at carrying bad teams at lo elo. That's my experience anyways.
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Ez with 3 BTs a LW and a Triforce kills everything, don't even need defensive items.
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On November 03 2011 06:31 Treadmill wrote:
I think the problem with Ezreal is that he doesn't get super-scary even when fed, like Vayne or someone, so he's less good at carrying bad teams at lo elo. That's my experience anyways.
Oh don't get me wrong, he can be scary as shit once fully built. QWER all do pretty significant burst damage, and once I'm with a TF/BT/IE/whatever I can blow people into oblivion pretty quick. I just lament the feeling of lack of overall damage that comes from going TF first. He's not hyper Kog, Vayne, or Trist carry, but he can hold his own.
As a random tangent (maybe should move to the Ez thread for this), but what would you think of Bloodrazor at some point on him? Q procs on hits, so you could potentially get some decent %health hits in, and it might synergize well with his passive steroid. Probably not the most efficient, but something to try?
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Bloodrazor bad item, don't buy.
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On November 03 2011 06:31 Treadmill wrote:
I think the problem with Ezreal is that he doesn't get super-scary even when fed, like Vayne or someone, so he's less good at carrying bad teams at lo elo. That's my experience anyways.
He's no hyper carry late, but he carries the early/mid game far better than most of the other ranged AD's. God forbid he catch first blood or something and gets that sheen at 5 minutes he will be chunking people for 30% of their hp.
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ezrael's other strength resides in being uncounterable. Cait/graves/etc cant outlane him since he always has Q to farm with if lane is really behind and he's not weak early at all. Soraka/ezrael is a really great lane imo. Lots of map control and soraka offsets ezraels not as great super late game since soraka is like the best late game support.
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From a few pages ago but hybrid Shyvana sounds awful. Also, Madreds doesn't sound good on her either.
Yeah, she has AP scaling and AD scaling but could you seriously justify getting a Gunblade or Rageblade on her? Just sounds like a waste of gold as the AP isn't going to add very much damage.
I don't like Madreds Bloodrazor. Just personal preference but I can't think of a hero where it would make sense to build it on over just building standard AD. Maybe Teemo? But even with him I'd rather get Wit's End first and maybe even Phage/Frozen Mallet.
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On November 03 2011 06:53 overt wrote:
From a few pages ago but hybrid Shyvana sounds awful. Also, Madreds doesn't sound good on her either.
Yeah, she has AP scaling and AD scaling but could you seriously justify getting a Gunblade or Rageblade on her? Just sounds like a waste of gold as the AP isn't going to add very much damage.
I don't like Madreds Bloodrazor. Just personal preference but I can't think of a hero where it would make sense to build it on over just building standard AD. Maybe Teemo? But even with him I'd rather get Wit's End first and maybe even Phage/Frozen Mallet.
It's pretty good on Teemo once you get enough AS. It's... alright? on Kog. He has a built in one, and you want IE/PD/BT before it, but it's alright in hyper late game.
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If you're already getting IE and PD plus lifesteal you should never build Bloodrazor since it doesn't scale off of crit, crit damage, or lifesteal (whereas flat AD does). It also doesn't give you extra damage on Kog's ult.
Bloodrazor is a good item if you want to buy a single item to increase your autoattack DPS. Problem is that Wit's End is just as efficient until you start hitting enemies who have more than 2000 hp and Wit's End also gets finished much faster so you're not stuck with a mediocre item combination for a long time (since Razors plus Pickaxe plus Recurve isn't exactly so hot). Then add that there are basically no champs who want just one item to boost autoattack DPS--since if you get a bigger budget you win by getting IE plus other stuff or BT plus other stuff--and you see why Bloodrazor is pretty unpopular despite being pretty gold-efficient on paper.
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On November 03 2011 06:56 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 06:53 overt wrote:
From a few pages ago but hybrid Shyvana sounds awful. Also, Madreds doesn't sound good on her either.
Yeah, she has AP scaling and AD scaling but could you seriously justify getting a Gunblade or Rageblade on her? Just sounds like a waste of gold as the AP isn't going to add very much damage.
I don't like Madreds Bloodrazor. Just personal preference but I can't think of a hero where it would make sense to build it on over just building standard AD. Maybe Teemo? But even with him I'd rather get Wit's End first and maybe even Phage/Frozen Mallet. It's pretty good on Teemo once you get enough AS. It's... alright? on Kog. He has a built in one, and you want IE/PD/BT before it, but it's alright in hyper late game.
In that Kog situation Last Whisper would be a lot better than Madreds. On Teemo you can just build Wit's End and if you need more AS you could get like BlackCleaver on him or something.
I don't think it's terrible but I don't know if the cost of it justifies the damage it gives (crate pretty much summed it up, like, for the cost I could just get Wit's End and have another big damage item started).
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Madreds is only good if you need to kill the person with a ton of health. It doesn't synergize like ad/crit/aspd making it a bad buy most of the time unless somebody is hitpoint stacking without building mr.
While Shyvana doesn't have the best ap ratios, I think Rageblade could be a decent option instead of Wit's End. It'd focus more on the AoE from W though I'd think.
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BR is also ok on champs that autoattack a lot and have on hit abilities liek WW R and renek W(not saying br is good on renek, just using the ability as an example).
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I think it's a decent buy if you're against a tanky team that all have high health values. Lee Sin, Renek, a lot of RoA casters, etc, all have high health pools that are tough to burn through with just straight damage. Not on every character, but it's sort of a situational later game item to counter things like Fratmogs.
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On November 03 2011 07:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Madreds is only good if you need to kill the person with a ton of health. It doesn't synergize like ad/crit/aspd making it a bad buy most of the time unless somebody is hitpoint stacking without building mr.
While Shyvana doesn't have the best ap ratios, I think Rageblade could be a decent option instead of Wit's End. It'd focus more on the AoE from W though I'd think.
Well, W has like a .2 AD scale. Her E has .6 AP scaling but you're probably going to max that last if you're laning or jungling as her so Rageblade first doesn't make a lot of sense unless you're going to be getting levels in E sooner (and I don't think I would personally). It'd make her ult hit a bit harder too but you only get like 45 AP from Rageblade. Is the extra 31 damage on her ult and 27 damage on her E worth the 2200 gold cost of Rageblade (assuming you aren't attacking)? When you could just get Wit's End that's going to do 42 magic damage per auto, increase your auto attack speed, and give you MR? I think if you keep Guinsoo stacks up then you could maybe justify it but seeing as how you'll probably come into fights with R you probably won't have stacks up and then you'll want to not use E until after you have near full stacks. Not to mention you're leveling E last...
I dunno, Wit's End just makes a lot more sense than Rageblade early on. And later in the game I'd rather get some tanky items or Atma's or something.
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On November 03 2011 07:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Madreds is only good if you need to kill the person with a ton of health. It doesn't synergize like ad/crit/aspd making it a bad buy most of the time unless somebody is hitpoint stacking without building mr.
While Shyvana doesn't have the best ap ratios, I think Rageblade could be a decent option instead of Wit's End. It'd focus more on the AoE from W though I'd think.
Its good if they're building health but not magic resistance. If people have 100 mr (which is normal) 2% of health on hit looks a lot less attractive than 4%.
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