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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:21 Ryuu314 wrote: Out of Kennen, Ezreal, Skarner, Shyvana, Riven who should I buy? Ezreal. Megaman Ez looks sick lolol | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 03 2011 04:49 Mogwai wrote: I once tried to explain to a team that I don't play support by saying, "if you make me support, I support teemo." They actually got really excited for it, so I did it to call their bluff, fed 2 kills before minions spawn and then we roflstomped the opposing team O_O. Go figure. I once had to face Support Teemo in a normal playing as Vayne. I was crushing the lane and about to kill the other laner but then Teemo pops out of a bush, blinds me and now I don't do damage. That blind is OP against AD Carries, especially if you don't realise you got blinded. Shrooms make the lane ungankable too. QQ. | ||
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:21 Ryuu314 wrote: Out of Kennen, Ezreal, Skarner, Shyvana, Riven who should I buy? I'd go Kennen, he's pretty versatile and he's a lot of fun. Skarner if you want a jungler. | ||
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DamnTasty
Netherlands28 Posts
I almost never post here but i play quite some league of legends. I'm no pro but i manage myself. I however do not understand what I have to do versus a tryndamere. This game I played against him and galio in lane with me lux and my brother jax. I was supporting jax and was hiding in the bushes and everything went good. Got a first blood and 2 more kills. Set up a ward jungler tried to gank no prob. Everything good according to the book. Tryndamere gets level 6 and goes cocky, turret diving us, and failing. He's now 0/4 with 32 cs in 20 minutes. My team mates @ mid and top were feeding a bit but the game was 12 - 12 or something. Yet 12 minutes later during the mid game he farmed some,minions and terrible team mates, got an infinity edge and went godmode tryndamere. He just stomped my face everytime before i could even exhaust him or whatever. I feel that even if you manage to completely deny farm in lane after 20 mins he just stomps you in low elo games. You just cant carry a low level game when the opposing team has a tryndamere and its past 25 mins. If theirs any advice how to handle him, I'd gladly take it. And just for the record whats the 'best' counter tryndamere champion in the late game? I Know cc helps heaps but if all your team mates blow it on the tank(what they do 24/7 in low elo games/normals....) Also to QQ even more. Why does riot feel xin zhao/ irelia are too good at low elo, and keep nerfing them into the ground, when theirs tryndamere/katarina/akali around. Those champions if fed are so dominating at low elo's.. Edit: The fact that he's free this week isn't helping aswell  . I've played tryndamere myself aswell and really it's not a matter of skill of the opposing player I can play him just aswell as the other players and carry just as hard with him. Its just that I dont find it a fun to play champion. I like to play champions with skill shots etc.. | ||
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Shinshady
Canada1237 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:36 DamnTasty wrote: Dear teamliquid, I almost never post here but i play quite some league of legends. I'm no pro but i manage myself. I however do not understand what I have to do versus a tryndamere. This game I played against him and galio in lane with me lux and my brother jax. I was supporting jax and was hiding in the bushes and everything went good. Got a first blood and 2 more kills. Set up a ward jungler tried to gank no prob. Everything good according to the book. Tryndamere gets level 6 and goes cocky, turret diving us, and failing. He's now 0/4 with 32 cs in 20 minutes. My team mates @ mid and top were feeding a bit but the game was 12 - 12 or something. Yet 12 minutes later during the mid game he farmed some,minions and terrible team mates, got an infinity edge and went godmode tryndamere. He just stomped my face everytime before i could even exhaust him or whatever. I feel that even if you manage to completely deny farm in lane after 20 mins he just stomps you in low elo games. You just cant carry a low level game when the opposing team has a tryndamere and its past 25 mins. If theirs any advice how to handle him, I'd gladly take it. And just for the record whats the 'best' counter tryndamere champion in the late game? I Know cc helps heaps but if all your team mates blow it on the tank(what they do 24/7 in low elo games/normals....) Also to QQ even more. Why does riot feel xin zhao/ irelia are too good at low elo, and keep nerfing them into the ground, when theirs tryndamere/katarina/akali around. Those champions if fed are so dominating at low elo's.. Trynd is countered by CC and focusfire and staying away, you should have no problem against him as lux at all because you should be far back and have your bind to hit him with whenever he gets near. The thing about trynd is that his only escape mechanism is the spin, and it has a very long CD, so If you position well and make him use it to initiate and his ult early in a teamfight he's gonna be pretty fucked. Trynd always wants to save his spin for escape, make him blow it. You also have to keep track of when his ult is up if you don't you will either never kill him or commit to retarded engagement where he cannot lose. As lux though you should be so safe as you can stay so far back and use your slow and bind if he makes any move towards you. Also running ignite kills a lot of bad tryndameres if you wait till the last possible second you can and ignite them while they are ulting. Also make sure you harass him alot early and midgame even if he looks like he is just healing it, he has to spend all his fury to use his heal and trynd with no fury has much less DPS. Later dont really bother as he get like half a bar from one hit. Also thornmail, verrrrrry bad for trynd I should know I just lost a game where I went 16/3 trynd with maxed stack leviathan and occult and still couldn't drag my hapless team to victory, although that probably more because they sucked ass | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:36 Shinshady wrote: Nocturne, Shyvanna, Skarner, or Olaf... who should I buy? (Yes I player jungler xD....). Can anyone who's played them, (hopefully jungle but, solo top advice works too) compare their ups and downs and how useful they are? I'm currently looking mostly at Noc/Skar/Olaf to help my solo queue rank, but then again I only play ranked once a week or so due to school and other things. Thanks in advance! Shyvanna is crap from what i've heard and seen so i won't include her. Nocturne is the best of the junglers you named, tons of utility, strong ganks and a solid jungler. Olaf are very fast in the jungle with blue buff as you spam axes with close to no CD, his ganks aren't the best but late game he becomes a beast in teamfights and 1v1. I haven't jungled Skarner, but hes a mediocre solo top IMO. There are better buys around unless you think hes particulary fun to play. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:45 Requizen wrote: Been doing the Trinity rush Ezreal lately, but hell, there's no damage with that build. I run fast, poke well, and can kite, but I can't kill worth anything. You think the utility outweighs the damage loss from going AD items? Or should I just do the normal AD type builds? pretty much every top ezrael player ive seen does the d-blade --> wriggle's --> cd boots --> triforce. So i think you are on the right track. If your gonna buy damage items might as well play a different AD carry, they do it better | ||
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Shinshady
Canada1237 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:36 DamnTasty wrote: + Show Spoiler + Dear teamliquid, I almost never post here but i play quite some league of legends. I'm no pro but i manage myself. I however do not understand what I have to do versus a tryndamere. This game I played against him and galio in lane with me lux and my brother jax. I was supporting jax and was hiding in the bushes and everything went good. Got a first blood and 2 more kills. Set up a ward jungler tried to gank no prob. Everything good according to the book. Tryndamere gets level 6 and goes cocky, turret diving us, and failing. He's now 0/4 with 32 cs in 20 minutes. My team mates @ mid and top were feeding a bit but the game was 12 - 12 or something. Yet 12 minutes later during the mid game he farmed some,minions and terrible team mates, got an infinity edge and went godmode tryndamere. He just stomped my face everytime before i could even exhaust him or whatever. I feel that even if you manage to completely deny farm in lane after 20 mins he just stomps you in low elo games. You just cant carry a low level game when the opposing team has a tryndamere and its past 25 mins. If theirs any advice how to handle him, I'd gladly take it. And just for the record whats the 'best' counter tryndamere champion in the late game? I Know cc helps heaps but if all your team mates blow it on the tank(what they do 24/7 in low elo games/normals....) Also to QQ even more. Why does riot feel xin zhao/ irelia are too good at low elo, and keep nerfing them into the ground, when theirs tryndamere/katarina/akali around. Those champions if fed are so dominating at low elo's.. Edit: The fact that he's free this week isn't helping aswell . I've played tryndamere myself aswell and really it's not a matter of skill of the opposing player I can play him just aswell as the other players and carry just as hard with him. Its just that I dont find it a fun to play champion. I like to play champions with skill shots etc..You might've alrdy heard this, but kiting with an AD carry is more or less than only way to stop him. Unless you have someone to stun,silence, or etc him, then it'll be really hard to deal with him. The fact that you played quite strange lanes has partial fact to do with that, but once Tyrn hits IE, and lvl 16, he becomes a threat. You kind of learn how to deal with him, but he is another character that snowballs quite a bit. You have to remember he has to be in melee range to kill you. Sadly, Lux has no hard CC. Janna or Alistar would have an easier time with their set of CCs. On November 03 2011 05:48 KinosJourney2 wrote: Shyvanna is crap from what i've heard and seen so i won't include her. Nocturne is the best of the junglers you named, tons of utility, strong ganks and a solid jungler. Olaf are very fast in the jungle with blue buff as you spam axes with close to no CD, his ganks aren't the best but late game he becomes a beast in teamfights and 1v1. I haven't jungled Skarner, but hes a mediocre solo top IMO. There are better buys around unless you think hes particulary fun to play. Post Skarner Buffs I've seen him both solo top and jungle quite a bit (Voyboy keeps playing Skarner solo top). He has a really decent slow (but needs to hit his Q twice for it). I'm not too sure about jungle clear times post buff as well, but I think he's gotten quite a bit better. Hmm with what you and Fakesteve said, I'm think I'm leaning on Noc for now. Will consider Skarner/Olaf another time. Thanks for the input! | ||
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enzymezero
United States65 Posts
On November 03 2011 00:40 Shikyo wrote: That's because guardsman bob is a godawful player. Did you watch the saintvicious stream when he went like 15-1 every game with her? I did not. o.o Also, I didn't know guardsman bob was that bad? He won nearly every single game I watched him play though.... | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:51 Brees wrote: pretty much every top ezrael player ive seen does the d-blade --> wriggle's --> cd boots --> triforce. So i think you are on the right track. If your gonna buy damage items might as well play a different AD carry, they do it better I like his playstyle, though. That high burst type works once your built, but in the early/mid stages of the game I feel that Trinity brings all utility and no damage. He just feels odd, like why does the AD carry do less damage than the bruiser? My poke is absurd, so that's nice for zoning and what not, but when it comes to fights I almost feel useless even when I land all my shots. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Shinshady
Canada1237 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:54 Requizen wrote: I like his playstyle, though. That high burst type works once your built, but in the early/mid stages of the game I feel that Trinity brings all utility and no damage. He just feels odd, like why does the AD carry do less damage than the bruiser? My poke is absurd, so that's nice for zoning and what not, but when it comes to fights I almost feel useless even when I land all my shots. You could go the Ezreal build that Reginald more or less created, way back... That would be 2-3 Dorans blades, boots (merc treads/CD boots/Zerker), sheen -> brute -> (trinity?), and then bloodthirsters, and then selling off the dorans for more BTs, which made you extremely bursty, but extremely squishy. At the same time you needed to get the stacks on BT for lifesteal and you needed to be doing the damage/hitting your Q or else back things would come. | ||
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Shiv.
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On November 03 2011 05:51 Brees wrote: pretty much every top ezrael player ive seen does the d-blade --> wriggle's --> cd boots --> triforce. So i think you are on the right track. If your gonna buy damage items might as well play a different AD carry, they do it better That is also due to the fact he is often being used in poke comps, though. I have seen multiple high level players go Brutalizer->Bloodthirster. Know what your teamcomp does and build accordingly, imo. | ||
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spiksel
Netherlands97 Posts
Bought shyvana, showing dance etc. ^_^ Ulti is awesome | ||
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