EPTI wouldn't want a Rageblade later on cause it just doesn't compete with the legendary items.
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
I wouldn't want a Rageblade later on cause it just doesn't compete with the legendary items. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Looking at how the stats benifit shyvana, I'd say between R, E, and E proc passive, you get the value out of the AP, and of course you get value out of the AD and attack speed. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On November 03 2011 06:20 red_ wrote: Triforce will make you do more damage on Ez than any equivalent amount of gold in other items(even an IE) unless you are getting them extremely early when your base damage is still low for it to work off of. You can still get IE later also(Triforce+IE instead of IE+PD). I experiment a lot on Ez during the past year and.. meh.. Imo Dblade > AS boots > BT > Trinity > LW > Banshee is the best way to gear him in a standart game. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 03 2011 07:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I thought her W had an AP scaling. I guess I'm blind ^_^ Cancel the rageblade then...You get 45 AP+48 more when it's stacked, but I definitely wouldn't max E first since the armor debuff doesn't scale. You get stacks from using abilities so there's no way it's going to have 0 stacks. I wouldn't want a Rageblade later on cause it just doesn't compete with the legendary items. I wasn't trying to take a shit on Rageblade, just saying that I wouldn't replace it with Wit's End early game. I'm actually gonna try it out in a few games cause I think Shyvana could keep stacks up pretty well (she's gonna be auto attacking and spamming skills in like, every fight). The thing is, after I get Wit's End I wanna get some sort of tanky item to help me survive fights. I'm just not sure if Rageblade would be better than like an Atma's or Trinity Force or something (it could very well be for raw damage but it won't have the defense or utility of those other items). | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:03 overt wrote: I wasn't trying to take a shit on Rageblade, just saying that I wouldn't replace it with Wit's End early game. I'm actually gonna try it out in a few games cause I think Shyvana could keep stacks up pretty well (she's gonna be auto attacking and spamming skills in like, every fight). The thing is, after I get Wit's End I wanna get some sort of tanky item to help me survive fights. I'm just not sure if Rageblade would be better than like an Atma's or Trinity Force or something (it could very well be for raw damage but it won't have the defense or utility of those other items). That's why I'm dismissing it completely though. I was considering getting it instead of Wit's End as my super awesome offensive item. After you tank out you might as well go for BT if you want damage. The extra 800 gold is no problem in the late game ^_^ On November 03 2011 08:07 Craton wrote: What are some good laners to shit on Sion with? I would think a lot of the top bruisers would do it. Anybody who shits on people at level 1-3. Until Sion's shield actually shields him he's very weak. Garen would be my top pick. If you force him to stun you every time he wants to last hit he's going to go oom real fast. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:07 Craton wrote: What are some good laners to shit on Sion with? I would think a lot of the top bruisers would do it. rumble fucks him hard lol its pretty fun | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:27 Alzadar wrote: How do most people open with Ryze? I usually go Mana Crystal + 2 followed by Tear -> Boots -> Catalyst, but I find I'm very squishy compared to a lane opponent (let's say Morgana) that gets an early Catalyst and/or stacks DRings. Do you guys think Catalyst first hurts your midgame damage at all due to lack of Tear charges, or should it be a definite choice? Once I get tear I mostly use spells to last hit to charge it, which you can do more safely. I play Ryze a lot, once you farm tear -> sorc boots + catalyst (which comes first depends) -> glacial shroud + negatron cloak you're a monster. It sounds like a lot but it really is only about as much as deathcap/sorc boots/d rings. You get comparable damage to other APs and you're tanky to boot. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:32 Hoban wrote: I say you should level Shyvanas E second (after W). Her passive is what makes E an actual useful ability and lets you trade for high damage. E->Q gives you quite a bit of damage because the Q double-dips the passive when you auto with E. Isn't that what people do? | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
If you want to help, use this: http://piratepad.net/zWHHA5bnwN <3 | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
 Seeing as Q has an AD ratio and E has an AP ratio I guess it depends more on what you build. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:34 Treadmill wrote: Once I get tear I mostly use spells to last hit to charge it, which you can do more safely. I play Ryze a lot, once you farm tear -> sorc boots + catalyst (which comes first depends) -> glacial shroud + negatron cloak you're a monster. It sounds like a lot but it really is only about as much as deathcap/sorc boots/d rings. You get comparable damage to other APs and you're tanky to boot. Erm, you didn't really address my question at all. What I'm wondering is do people go Tear first or Catalyst first? You're kind of implying Tear first although you don't answer directly. I've always gone Tear first but I'm starting to think Catalyst first is better, it just makes you so much sturdier in the early game, which is Ryze's greatest period of weakness IMO. It makes you theoretically weaker at the point where you get both (since your Tear has no charge yet), but I think you'll actually be stronger since Catalyst first gives much better sustain + defence, allowing you to farm more and win fights. Needs more experimentation, just asking around for some opinions. Tear first seems to leave you with this really awkward period around levels 6-9 where you have literally half the health of your lane opponent that has a Catalyst and a DRing. You can't win trades at that point even if your damage is much better, and all it takes is one Q to hit you (still working with Morgana here) and with the W follow-up you're in the kill zone. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:40 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: What are you maxing first? I was doing R > Q > W > E. You don't really want to AoE and push the creep wave with W and E is a one point wonder skill. You get plenty of movespeed from level 1 W to get away from ganks, especially after you have R. I feel like having higher Q would be more useful to the E -> Q combo, but I've already been completely off with the numbers so Seeing as Q has an AD ratio and E has an AP ratio I guess it depends more on what you build.If you are laning then you almost definitely want to max the E first. None of the other two spells look particularly good as something you'd want to use for laning, but I could be wrong. The main appeal of E is that leveling it up helps your auto and Q scale as well. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On November 03 2011 08:52 crate wrote: Tear first on Ryze is better if you can get away with it, Cata first is better if you can't get away with Tear first. Loci gets Tear first most of the time. Choose based on your lane matchup. yeah you want tear first unless you cant manage it, also its allows you to stay farther back in lane as you should be using Q to get some of the last hits after you pick it up. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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