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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 07 2011 06:20 GMT
#1981
The shield still detonates if the timer runs out anyway, but yes he cannot denonate manually while silenced.
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
November 07 2011 06:23 GMT
#1982
no he cannot, only autoattack
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
November 07 2011 06:30 GMT
#1983
Dyrus has been mega entertaining for the last erm 8? hours
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 07 2011 06:37 GMT
#1984
Thank you for the answers! Good to know...I finally know who to pick when I see Sion. I generally have been doing Riven top lane. Sion vs. Riven is painful.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 07 2011 06:42 GMT
#1985
Riven seems pretty good vs sion actually
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 07 2011 06:50 GMT
#1986
'cause Riven is pretty OP and hasn't caught on.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 07 2011 07:10 GMT
#1987
On November 07 2011 15:30 daemir wrote:
Dyrus has been mega entertaining for the last erm 8? hours

relevant.
currently rooting for myself.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 07 2011 08:04 GMT
#1988
Eh I can never quite seem to get the shield down in time as Riven. I am fine last-hitting under my tower but it seems I can't really deny his farm. What is the key to Scion vs Riven?
"I am a leaf on the wind."
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 08:42:36
November 07 2011 08:33 GMT
#1989
The ONLY thing I blame Dignitas for is Voyboys release statement congratulating CDE and saying that they were the rightful team to go to WCG and that he was confident that WCG would change their mind and reinstate CDE as the champions... followed up by playing the game and then taking the spot.

If you were just blowing smoke up everyone's ass, don't waste our time or insult our intelligence.

Exactly this, they play by what they thought were the actual rules, they accepted their loss, they congratulated CDE and after all that they asked the admins about the rules and played another set, when the rules clearly stated otherwise. Pretty sure that if dignitas had won the first game they would've taken it as the win and WCG admins would''ve never been contacted about it.
You can say and defend dignitas all you want but if you can''t see that what they did with the additional set was wrong then I don't know what''s wrong with you.
On November 07 2011 15:50 Craton wrote:
'cause Riven is pretty OP and hasn't caught on.

Just pick someone like pantheon and destroy her in lane ezpz.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 07 2011 08:42 GMT
#1990
I feel that Panth is the AD version of Kassadin in a way. Over all, he's a fairly subpar pick but he can counter certain champions in lane so hard and just snowball to victory.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 07 2011 08:43 GMT
#1991
i don't even think pantheon will beat a cloth + 5 pots riven tbh
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 08:44:54
November 07 2011 08:43 GMT
#1992
On November 07 2011 17:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
I feel that Panth is the AD version of Kassadin in a way. Over all, he's a fairly subpar pick but he can counter certain champions in lane so hard and just snowball to victory.

He''s also one of the easiest ganks ingame, most annoying thing about playing pant.
On November 07 2011 17:43 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't even think pantheon will beat a cloth + 5 pots riven tbh

He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 07 2011 08:47 GMT
#1993
Well I am looking to get better with Riven. I really enjoy her but are there any streams that you know of that play her ect?
"I am a leaf on the wind."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 07 2011 08:54 GMT
#1994
On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.

He'll get Bruta around when she gets Wriggle's. He can't combo her from full, she'll have decent sustain with Wriggle's + E to block spears, and she outscales him HARD lategame, so trading farm is much better for her.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 09:06:24
November 07 2011 09:04 GMT
#1995
On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 17:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
I feel that Panth is the AD version of Kassadin in a way. Over all, he's a fairly subpar pick but he can counter certain champions in lane so hard and just snowball to victory.

He''s also one of the easiest ganks ingame, most annoying thing about playing pant.
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 17:43 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't even think pantheon will beat a cloth + 5 pots riven tbh

He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.


you mean panth can't trade with riven because she has no mana?

cloth + 5 pots forces pantheon to burn through 1000 additional HP before actually doing significant damage, PLUS the armor makes that 1000 HP worth more. meanwhile riven can pop her (free) shield once every couple of spears to even further reduce your damage (and further up the mana cost of doing significant damage to her). AND riven is one of the few champs i wouldn't like to walk up and try to autoattack like i do against most top matchups because she can either just bounce away or bounce into you and trade autos thanks to her passive

not to mention that riven can either go wriggles for the sustain, or just go cloth -> tabi -> atma's to completely negate your damage while giving her significant damage in return

it's just a really bad matchup for panth imo. an average panth can beat an average riven, but i don't think a good panth stands a chance against a good riven

you know?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 07 2011 09:31 GMT
#1996
haven't even played the matchup but im going to go out on a limb and say riven should destroy pantheon
and by destroy i mean utterly crush his soul
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 09:35:05
November 07 2011 09:32 GMT
#1997
On November 07 2011 18:04 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
On November 07 2011 17:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
I feel that Panth is the AD version of Kassadin in a way. Over all, he's a fairly subpar pick but he can counter certain champions in lane so hard and just snowball to victory.

He''s also one of the easiest ganks ingame, most annoying thing about playing pant.
On November 07 2011 17:43 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't even think pantheon will beat a cloth + 5 pots riven tbh

He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.


you mean panth can't trade with riven because she has no mana?

cloth + 5 pots forces pantheon to burn through 1000 additional HP before actually doing significant damage, PLUS the armor makes that 1000 HP worth more. meanwhile riven can pop her (free) shield once every couple of spears to even further reduce your damage (and further up the mana cost of doing significant damage to her). AND riven is one of the few champs i wouldn't like to walk up and try to autoattack like i do against most top matchups because she can either just bounce away or bounce into you and trade autos thanks to her passive

not to mention that riven can either go wriggles for the sustain, or just go cloth -> tabi -> atma's to completely negate your damage while giving her significant damage in return

it's just a really bad matchup for panth imo. an average panth can beat an average riven, but i don't think a good panth stands a chance against a good riven

you know?

You''ll still come out ahead when trading because of pant passive>riven passive. Wriggles for sustain doesn''t matter that much when you stab her everytime she cses and nothing is stopping you from going tabi.
On November 07 2011 17:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.

He'll get Bruta around when she gets Wriggle's. He can't combo her from full, she'll have decent sustain with Wriggle's + E to block spears, and she outscales him HARD lategame, so trading farm is much better for her.

His E has a 3.6AD ratio and his Q a 1.6 ratio, I don''t see her outscaling him hard.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 07 2011 09:36 GMT
#1998
Shameless blog plug.
TL;DR I'm looking for a couple people to start doing some arranged 5s with, but was unsure where in the subforum to post. If anyone's interested check out the blog or PM me.

Now to contribute: on the subject of AD casters top lane, is it possible for a Wukong to beat Nasus top lane? Scrimming with a friend I would always get real greedy and he'd FB me as he hit 6 (me playing Nasus, him on Wukong), but then I'd farm up and push him out as only Nasus can do. I know Panth shuts him down real hard and Riven does an ok job as well, but I feel like Wukong's inability to harass without being up in Nasus's face is what screws him.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 07 2011 09:36 GMT
#1999
On November 07 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 18:04 gtrsrs wrote:
On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
On November 07 2011 17:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
I feel that Panth is the AD version of Kassadin in a way. Over all, he's a fairly subpar pick but he can counter certain champions in lane so hard and just snowball to victory.

He''s also one of the easiest ganks ingame, most annoying thing about playing pant.
On November 07 2011 17:43 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't even think pantheon will beat a cloth + 5 pots riven tbh

He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.


you mean panth can't trade with riven because she has no mana?

cloth + 5 pots forces pantheon to burn through 1000 additional HP before actually doing significant damage, PLUS the armor makes that 1000 HP worth more. meanwhile riven can pop her (free) shield once every couple of spears to even further reduce your damage (and further up the mana cost of doing significant damage to her). AND riven is one of the few champs i wouldn't like to walk up and try to autoattack like i do against most top matchups because she can either just bounce away or bounce into you and trade autos thanks to her passive

not to mention that riven can either go wriggles for the sustain, or just go cloth -> tabi -> atma's to completely negate your damage while giving her significant damage in return

it's just a really bad matchup for panth imo. an average panth can beat an average riven, but i don't think a good panth stands a chance against a good riven

you know?

You''ll still come out ahead when trading because of pant passive>riven passive. Wriggles for sustain doesn''t matter that much when you stab her everytime she cses and nothing is stopping you from going tabi.
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 17:54 TheYango wrote:
On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.

He'll get Bruta around when she gets Wriggle's. He can't combo her from full, she'll have decent sustain with Wriggle's + E to block spears, and she outscales him HARD lategame, so trading farm is much better for her.

His E has a 3.6AD ratio and his Q a 1.6 ratio, I don''t see her outscaling him hard.

She outscales him because Panth has to build some tanky stats or risk being blown up whereas Riven gets naturally tanky by building pure AD.

I honestly don't see Panth winning the lane especially if the Riven starts Cloth+5 and heck she can even max E over W if it's really an issue.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#2000
On November 07 2011 18:36 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
On November 07 2011 18:04 gtrsrs wrote:
On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
On November 07 2011 17:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
I feel that Panth is the AD version of Kassadin in a way. Over all, he's a fairly subpar pick but he can counter certain champions in lane so hard and just snowball to victory.

He''s also one of the easiest ganks ingame, most annoying thing about playing pant.
On November 07 2011 17:43 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't even think pantheon will beat a cloth + 5 pots riven tbh

He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.


you mean panth can't trade with riven because she has no mana?

cloth + 5 pots forces pantheon to burn through 1000 additional HP before actually doing significant damage, PLUS the armor makes that 1000 HP worth more. meanwhile riven can pop her (free) shield once every couple of spears to even further reduce your damage (and further up the mana cost of doing significant damage to her). AND riven is one of the few champs i wouldn't like to walk up and try to autoattack like i do against most top matchups because she can either just bounce away or bounce into you and trade autos thanks to her passive

not to mention that riven can either go wriggles for the sustain, or just go cloth -> tabi -> atma's to completely negate your damage while giving her significant damage in return

it's just a really bad matchup for panth imo. an average panth can beat an average riven, but i don't think a good panth stands a chance against a good riven

you know?

You''ll still come out ahead when trading because of pant passive>riven passive. Wriggles for sustain doesn''t matter that much when you stab her everytime she cses and nothing is stopping you from going tabi.
On November 07 2011 17:54 TheYango wrote:
On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive.

He'll get Bruta around when she gets Wriggle's. He can't combo her from full, she'll have decent sustain with Wriggle's + E to block spears, and she outscales him HARD lategame, so trading farm is much better for her.

His E has a 3.6AD ratio and his Q a 1.6 ratio, I don''t see her outscaling him hard.

She outscales him because Panth has to build some tanky stats or risk being blown up whereas Riven gets naturally tanky by building pure AD.

I honestly don't see Panth winning the lane especially if the Riven starts Cloth+5 and heck she can even max E over W if it's really an issue.

You don''t need to win the lane you just need to get your farm then you jump on 2 squishies like a proper assassin and kill them.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
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