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On November 07 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
His E has a 3.6AD ratio and his Q a 1.6 ratio, I don''t see her outscaling him hard.
Panth Q a 1.6 AD ratio? Riven ult+passive means every one of her autoattacks has effectively a 1.8 AD ratio.
Riven is insanely strong late-game. She's not your run-of-the-mill AD caster with regard to scaling because E gives her HP-from-AD scaling, and because of her ult's steroid power.
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On November 07 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 18:04 gtrsrs wrote:On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:On November 07 2011 17:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
I feel that Panth is the AD version of Kassadin in a way. Over all, he's a fairly subpar pick but he can counter certain champions in lane so hard and just snowball to victory. He''s also one of the easiest ganks ingame, most annoying thing about playing pant. On November 07 2011 17:43 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't even think pantheon will beat a cloth + 5 pots riven tbh He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive. you mean panth can't trade with riven because she has no mana? cloth + 5 pots forces pantheon to burn through 1000 additional HP before actually doing significant damage, PLUS the armor makes that 1000 HP worth more. meanwhile riven can pop her (free) shield once every couple of spears to even further reduce your damage (and further up the mana cost of doing significant damage to her). AND riven is one of the few champs i wouldn't like to walk up and try to autoattack like i do against most top matchups because she can either just bounce away or bounce into you and trade autos thanks to her passive not to mention that riven can either go wriggles for the sustain, or just go cloth -> tabi -> atma's to completely negate your damage while giving her significant damage in return it's just a really bad matchup for panth imo. an average panth can beat an average riven, but i don't think a good panth stands a chance against a good riven you know? You''ll still come out ahead when trading because of pant passive>riven passive. Wriggles for sustain doesn''t matter that much when you stab her everytime she cses and nothing is stopping you from going tabi. Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 17:54 TheYango wrote:On November 07 2011 17:43 JackDino wrote:
He can simply farm in that case and kill her when he has a bruta. Riven can''t really trade with pant because of his passive. He'll get Bruta around when she gets Wriggle's. He can't combo her from full, she'll have decent sustain with Wriggle's + E to block spears, and she outscales him HARD lategame, so trading farm is much better for her. His E has a 3.6AD ratio and his Q a 1.6 ratio, I don''t see her outscaling him hard.
i think you just have a basic lack of understanding of how pantheon works if you're proposing getting tabi on him and in the same breath saying that he would still outscale riven
pantheon must be built purely offensively to have any impact on the game for the first 20 or so minutes (although atmogs later in the game is acceptable IMO once you have a good lead). riven can build sustain/tanky and still have an impact past the 20 minute mark because she's not forced into any single build path like pantheon is
my whole point which you ignored is, who cares if pantheon spears riven all day? she's going to come to lane with an effective 1500 HP thanks to HP pots. pantheon can chuck spears like it's his job, but he WILL eventually run out of mana before he puts her in a position where he can finally combo her down. and in order to do damage, he's got to open with a damage item which means either 1 pot (long sword) or 0 pots (d-blade). have fun trading blows with a manaless champ who has 1000 more HP than you br0
in terms of passives, pantheons is very strong against champs that rely on a single auto attack to do their damage, and against towers. i love it against pirate, i love it against nasus... it's really not worth much against talon and riven. she gets 3 super-powered auto attacks every couple of seconds (for free). you have to use mana or push the lane to negate just one of them...
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On November 07 2011 18:40 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
His E has a 3.6AD ratio and his Q a 1.6 ratio, I don''t see her outscaling him hard. Panth Q a 1.6 AD ratio? Riven ult+passive means every one of her autoattacks has effectively a 1.8 AD ratio. Riven is insanely strong late-game. She's not your run-of-the-mill AD caster with regard to scaling because E gives her HP-from-AD scaling, and because of her ult's steroid power.
Her passive has a .5 AD ratio, I dont'' see how getting 20% bonus AD from her ult changes that to a 1.8 AD ratio. If you meant an .8 AD ratio then sure.
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On November 07 2011 18:45 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 18:40 TheYango wrote:On November 07 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
His E has a 3.6AD ratio and his Q a 1.6 ratio, I don''t see her outscaling him hard. Panth Q a 1.6 AD ratio? Riven ult+passive means every one of her autoattacks has effectively a 1.8 AD ratio. Riven is insanely strong late-game. She's not your run-of-the-mill AD caster with regard to scaling because E gives her HP-from-AD scaling, and because of her ult's steroid power. Her passive has a .5 AD ratio, I dont'' see how getting 20% bonus AD from her ult changes that to a 1.8 AD ratio. If you meant an .8 AD ratio then sure.
1.8 AD ratio in the sense that they do 1.8 times her AD in damage.
Pantheon's autoattacks only do 1x his AD, and in order to Q or E, you have to use them INSTEAD of autoattacking, whereas Riven picks up free extra autoattack damage from her mobility/utility skills (while they're still ALSO doing AoE damage).
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in terms of laning the biggest problem that i see for pantheon is as guitar mentioned mana
panth should run oom if he wants to trade damage without getting super behind against riven
and in terms of scaling i have no doubt riven outscales pantheon
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On November 07 2011 18:49 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 18:45 JackDino wrote:On November 07 2011 18:40 TheYango wrote:On November 07 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
His E has a 3.6AD ratio and his Q a 1.6 ratio, I don''t see her outscaling him hard. Panth Q a 1.6 AD ratio? Riven ult+passive means every one of her autoattacks has effectively a 1.8 AD ratio. Riven is insanely strong late-game. She's not your run-of-the-mill AD caster with regard to scaling because E gives her HP-from-AD scaling, and because of her ult's steroid power. Her passive has a .5 AD ratio, I dont'' see how getting 20% bonus AD from her ult changes that to a 1.8 AD ratio. If you meant an .8 AD ratio then sure. 1.8 AD ratio in the sense that they do 1.8 times her AD in damage. Pantheon's autoattacks only do 1x his AD, and in order to Q or E, you have to use them INSTEAD of autoattacking, whereas Riven picks up free extra autoattack damage from her mobility/utility skills (while they're still ALSO doing AoE damage).
You can use them inbetween autoattacks you know, you''re not autoing all the time. Riven also has to use her skills instead of autoing, she can''t both auto and use her skills @ the same time.
While I agree that pant doesn''t have the mana now I''d much rather have a good pant on my team than a riven.
And you actually can build tanky pant, with the base values on his abilities being buffed you still do damage and again'st ADswith atmogs you're tanky as hell, but that's no fun though.
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Thank you, thank you. I do what I can.
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On November 07 2011 17:47 Hoban wrote:
Well I am looking to get better with Riven. I really enjoy her but are there any streams that you know of that play her ect?
Westrice plays her a lot.
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Bugs out for me all the time, can't jump to a later point either without it breaking apart 
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On November 07 2011 20:18 spinesheath wrote:Bugs out for me all the time, can't jump to a later point either without it breaking apart
Same here. Tried watching through it but it still bugs out at some point right after the fight at blue where Dyrus smites to get blue, dies to Cass and then reminisce about the good times when he had blue.  Funny as hell but the vid breaks down right after. I can FFW to any point before this but not to any point after it.
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someone get locicero, and maybe we can get a riven vs panth match going with navitar :D
for the sake of discussion ofc
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Did jackdino seriously just say an early to midgame champ outscales a lategame champ???
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First pick calls jungle then picks Graves for bot, last pick doesn't answer when I ask him who gets to mid, and who jungles, then complains that the Trundle don't go to jungle and that he has too. I disconnect right at this moment and so I'm under the impression that he randomed, though he got Xin Zhao.
Game starts, I'm doing quite well but Trundle's going to have troubles against Irelia's sustain top and Riven ganks bot gives them a quick edge.
Then the teamfights start, and the team gets cohesive, each one knowing his role and targets, we never let the opponents flee except for one or two missed chases, destroy 4 towers quickly after that, and establish enough map control that ganks aren't going to happen and let Riven assert her farming (4-0 when we first killed her).
Malzahar caught offguard and OS'd by my Morgana, suddenly them wanting to 3v1 Xin doing their blue becomes a 2v2 between us and Riven/Sona, with the rest of the team closing in and intercepting the other 2, I hold Riven back while they do their job and Xin turns back to finish her off for me. Ace, we get tower and inhib, then an undisputed baron, pretty much game. Riven backdoors during the next fight so we still lost one tower, but from fearing that our jungler might play badly because of frustration, then that Riven might get fed, teamwork and good vibes saved the day. Always happy to have a game w/o any qq, report calls or flaming once in a while.
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I just had a weird Nasus game... I farmed for 25 minutes, had +450 on my Q, FoN, Frozen Heart, Shurelya, Sheen, and at the moment I was setting out to begin to have fun... The opponents forfeited :'(
Being carried sucks.
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why u guys no use QQ thread?
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On November 07 2011 22:43 byFd wrote:
why u guys no use QQ thread?
Because we are anti-QQing ! Btw when is the next big LoL event ?
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On November 07 2011 23:04 mr_tolkien wrote:Because we are anti-QQing ! Btw when is the next big LoL event ?
MLG is the only one I know about.
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Anyone know why ranked is disabled?
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