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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 07 2011 15:11 GMT
#2021
To be honest, i don't even know if Riven can lose top these days.
Hell, last time i beat a fucking renekton. hard. And he bought a chain vest like at his first back. It was still pretty close.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
November 07 2011 15:14 GMT
#2022
On November 07 2011 23:59 Slaughter wrote:
Anyone know why ranked is disabled?


I'm wondering this, too
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 07 2011 15:19 GMT
#2023
This seems like a dumb idea to me, but shouldn't Season 2 be starting this week? I'm not sure how long the preseason is supposed to be, but I can still hope logic might prevail.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
bobwhiz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States725 Posts
November 07 2011 15:20 GMT
#2024
The new summoner skills are going to be quite interesting. Flash nerf... noooooo. So many pros bumping into walls for the first month.
Signatures are simply a cover for having no personality. -Kiante
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2675 Posts
November 07 2011 15:29 GMT
#2025
I have an idea for a change to Karma which I think should solve a bunch of her problems. Where can I post it so that it might get read?

My idea is that every three regular spell casts should grant an additional Mantra charge. So if you W someone, Mantra-E them then Q the enemy, you'll have two casts towards granting a mantra charge. It sucks as Karma not being able to do anything to get a mantra charge in an emergency. I was going to write out a paragraph or two about it but where should I put it.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 07 2011 15:44 GMT
#2026
On November 08 2011 00:11 Noocta wrote:
To be honest, i don't even know if Riven can lose top these days.
Hell, last time i beat a fucking renekton. hard. And he bought a chain vest like at his first back. It was still pretty close.


I'd bet that Cho would beat Riven top. Wukong probably does, too.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 16:06:14
November 07 2011 16:05 GMT
#2027
On November 08 2011 00:44 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 00:11 Noocta wrote:
To be honest, i don't even know if Riven can lose top these days.
Hell, last time i beat a fucking renekton. hard. And he bought a chain vest like at his first back. It was still pretty close.


I'd bet that Cho would beat Riven top. Wukong probably does, too.

I think Cho would end up just breaking even, not really winning. Q's and W can clear waves as fast or faster than Cho, and his only real damage ability for trades is Feast.

Wukong would be close, but yeah I think on equal ground Wukong might come ahead because of E-W dash/retreat pokes.

That said, any bruiser with a ranged, high damage poke should do well against Riven in some regards.
It's your boy Guzma!
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 07 2011 16:14 GMT
#2028
On November 08 2011 01:05 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 00:44 xDaunt wrote:
On November 08 2011 00:11 Noocta wrote:
To be honest, i don't even know if Riven can lose top these days.
Hell, last time i beat a fucking renekton. hard. And he bought a chain vest like at his first back. It was still pretty close.


I'd bet that Cho would beat Riven top. Wukong probably does, too.

I think Cho would end up just breaking even, not really winning. Q's and W can clear waves as fast or faster than Cho, and his only real damage ability for trades is Feast.

Wukong would be close, but yeah I think on equal ground Wukong might come ahead because of E-W dash/retreat pokes.

That said, any bruiser with a ranged, high damage poke should do well against Riven in some regards.


The problem with Cho is that he has fairly ridiculous sustain from his passive. He can keep clearing waves with his Q and W (as long as he has a little bit of mana regen) because every kill gives him health and mana. I really don't think that Riven can keep up with that. I haven't tried for a while, but even a defensive-specced Irelia who maxes W first can have problems against Cho if she's not careful.

As for Wukong, he simply eats anyone who does not have a built-in healing ability and fails to grab some early armor. He's particularly brutal against the shorter ranged AP characters.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 16:20:02
November 07 2011 16:14 GMT
#2029
On November 08 2011 00:44 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 00:11 Noocta wrote:
To be honest, i don't even know if Riven can lose top these days.
Hell, last time i beat a fucking renekton. hard. And he bought a chain vest like at his first back. It was still pretty close.


I'd bet that Cho would beat Riven top. Wukong probably does, too.

Cho has a window of opportunity where he can shut her down. At very early levels, she outdamages you, and once she gets Wriggle's, you pretty much inevitably going to farm-trading mode (like lots of Cho matchups do).

The problem is that if Riven goes into farm-trading mode, it's just like Jax or Nasus going into farm-trading mode. They have the late-game development of a melee carry, so you HAVE to stop their farm--if a melee carry and a tank or assassin are both free-farming, the melee carry is way more dangerous with that farm.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
November 07 2011 16:18 GMT
#2030
I dont think there's any problem with cho trading farm with riven, if there's any champion in the game that can make riven completely useless in teamfights i think it's cho.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
November 07 2011 16:24 GMT
#2031
On November 08 2011 00:29 Flicky wrote:
I have an idea for a change to Karma which I think should solve a bunch of her problems. Where can I post it so that it might get read?

My idea is that every three regular spell casts should grant an additional Mantra charge. So if you W someone, Mantra-E them then Q the enemy, you'll have two casts towards granting a mantra charge. It sucks as Karma not being able to do anything to get a mantra charge in an emergency. I was going to write out a paragraph or two about it but where should I put it.

Try here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263102
I don't know if they read it but...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 07 2011 16:27 GMT
#2032
On November 08 2011 01:05 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 00:44 xDaunt wrote:
On November 08 2011 00:11 Noocta wrote:
To be honest, i don't even know if Riven can lose top these days.
Hell, last time i beat a fucking renekton. hard. And he bought a chain vest like at his first back. It was still pretty close.


I'd bet that Cho would beat Riven top. Wukong probably does, too.

I think Cho would end up just breaking even, not really winning. Q's and W can clear waves as fast or faster than Cho, and his only real damage ability for trades is Feast.

Wukong would be close, but yeah I think on equal ground Wukong might come ahead because of E-W dash/retreat pokes.

That said, any bruiser with a ranged, high damage poke should do well against Riven in some regards.


Wukong is hard ye. The monkey is freaking good now.
Cho is.. meh.. you will not kill him, but neither will he.
And you have a lot of aoe to clear creeps too. So i dunno..
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 07 2011 16:29 GMT
#2033
Cho is just Cho. You're not going to be able to kill him 1v1, but he's not going to put out the damage to 1v1 you either. And like Yango said, if you just let Riven farm, she's going to demolish everything in sight, while Cho will just get big.
It's your boy Guzma!
Deltablazy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada580 Posts
November 07 2011 16:36 GMT
#2034
Yea i just decided to try Riven out again since ranked are disabled.

I cant believe how good she is and how bad I was with her at release.
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
November 07 2011 16:44 GMT
#2035
OMFG Hotshot just said in a best-case scenario he would make 2k$ a day. He must make like 800 a day.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 07 2011 17:06 GMT
#2036
On November 08 2011 00:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
This seems like a dumb idea to me, but shouldn't Season 2 be starting this week? I'm not sure how long the preseason is supposed to be, but I can still hope logic might prevail.

omg i'm so depressed i just remembered they were resetting ranked 5s elo and changing how it works #depressed
:)
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 07 2011 17:10 GMT
#2037
On November 08 2011 01:44 -Kato- wrote:
OMFG Hotshot just said in a best-case scenario he would make 2k$ a day. He must make like 800 a day.


That's almost 300k a year if he takes no days off...
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 07 2011 17:12 GMT
#2038
On November 08 2011 02:10 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 01:44 -Kato- wrote:
OMFG Hotshot just said in a best-case scenario he would make 2k$ a day. He must make like 800 a day.


That's almost 300k a year if he takes no days off...

He just has to keep the stream running, people watch him being afk as well.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
November 07 2011 17:14 GMT
#2039
is that why he lives with his parents?
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
November 07 2011 17:21 GMT
#2040
Started playing AD Gangplank - so much fun, he's so beastly :D Only problem is his survivability suuuucks.

Any suggestions as to how to tweak my build to make him a bit beefier? Right now it goes gloves > boots > avarice > zerks > zeal > IE > Bloodthirster > TriForce > PD and Ghostblade if I have time (usually doesn't get to that point).
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