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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 00:28:17
October 22 2011 00:27 GMT
#941
gold per 5

as in 1 gold per 5 seconds
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
October 22 2011 00:28 GMT
#942
On October 22 2011 09:26 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 09:19 Inschato wrote:
On October 22 2011 09:05 RogerX wrote:
I don't even know what GP5 and GP10 is.

But im thinking it ocncerns with money.


http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Philosopher's_Stone
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Avarice_Blade
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kage's_Lucky_Pick
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Greed
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Runes#Avarice

Thank you, I thought these were it.

What does it stand for Gold point 5? Or something?


gp5 = Gold per 5 (as in 1 gold every 5 seconds)
gp10 = Gold per 10 (as in 1 gold every 10 seconds)
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 22 2011 00:29 GMT
#943
On October 22 2011 09:27 barbsq wrote:
gold per 5

as in 1 gold per 5 seconds

Also, mp5 = mana per 5, hp5 = health per 5.
It's technically gp10 though.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
October 22 2011 00:35 GMT
#944
On October 22 2011 09:29 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 09:27 barbsq wrote:
gold per 5

as in 1 gold per 5 seconds

Also, mp5 = mana per 5, hp5 = health per 5.
It's technically gp10 though.


i disagree, gp10 is gangplank 2010
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 00:49:22
October 22 2011 00:48 GMT
#945
It's really gp10 but everyone its so ingrained to say per 5 that people just write it as gp5 and don't think about it.

On October 22 2011 08:37 ArC_man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 08:11 HazMat wrote:
Craton there is really no points in arguing with Utah. Regardless if he's right or wrong he'll write big words and long paragraphs and crush you down with his English degree. (not saying either of you are wrong, plz don't paragraph rape me plz)

+1, graduate students 2 stronk at arguing.

I'm also a graduate student. Never fear!
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LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
October 22 2011 00:50 GMT
#946
I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc.

Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote:
It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items). Personally I find the "supports need gp5 for ward money" argument to be extremely lacking given how long it takes for gp5 to pay for itself. Seems better to get Doran's + 5 wards now, rather than get a Philo/HoG, and slowly earn those 5 wards over the period of 10 minutes. They start generating surplus gold after that, but I think 10 minutes is plenty of time to turn the immediate spendable gold into a real advantage.

Compare:
2x Doran's Ring + 9 Wards
200 HP
30 AP
10 mp5

vs.

HoG + Philo
250 HP
18 hp5
8 mp5
1 gold/sec gold gain

You get better stats from the Doran's Rings, and it takes 11+ minutes for the gold gain to generate 9 wards. Again, the gold/5 will start generating surplus after that, but 11 minutes is a really fucking long time for you to turn your immediate benefits into further advantage.

As stated, it takes ~11 minutes just for HoG + Philo to catch up. In order to actually be the advantageous choice the game would have to go on for 20+ minutes past when you made the purchase.

At that point it's personal preference but I imagine very few players would argue in favor of sacrificing the first 30-35 minutes of the game for the late game that may never come, especially in solo queue.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 22 2011 00:51 GMT
#947
On October 22 2011 09:35 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 09:29 HazMat wrote:
On October 22 2011 09:27 barbsq wrote:
gold per 5

as in 1 gold per 5 seconds

Also, mp5 = mana per 5, hp5 = health per 5.
It's technically gp10 though.


i disagree, gp10 is gangplank 2010

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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#948
On October 22 2011 09:51 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 09:35 barbsq wrote:
On October 22 2011 09:29 HazMat wrote:
On October 22 2011 09:27 barbsq wrote:
gold per 5

as in 1 gold per 5 seconds

Also, mp5 = mana per 5, hp5 = health per 5.
It's technically gp10 though.


i disagree, gp10 is gangplank 2010

[image loading]

ROFL, that is the best picture.

Okay, so now that I understand GP items, do seperate GP items still stack? I open up my Jarvan in this way.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
October 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#949
On October 22 2011 10:09 RogerX wrote:
Okay, so now that I understand GP items, do seperate GP items still stack? I open up my Jarvan in this way.

Yes.
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 01:18:44
October 22 2011 01:13 GMT
#950
On October 22 2011 10:11 crate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 10:09 RogerX wrote:
Okay, so now that I understand GP items, do seperate GP items still stack? I open up my Jarvan in this way.

Yes.

Yep, thanks.

+ Show Spoiler +
my 1ooo'th post: yay
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 22 2011 01:19 GMT
#951
locodoco in a scrim against most of CLG. Can watch from jiji or Hotshot perspective.

http://www.clgaming.net
LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
October 22 2011 01:24 GMT
#952
On October 22 2011 10:19 overt wrote:
locodoco in a scrim against most of CLG. Can watch from jiji or Hotshot perspective.

http://www.clgaming.net
Lineup:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 01:38:06
October 22 2011 01:36 GMT
#953
Regarding the g/10 talk, I still like Philo openings because I like Shurelia's so much. But that's a personal preference thing.

Been experimenting with SK Snoopeh's Jungle Blitz. For those who are interested, he runs 16/3/11, 3 AD+ 6 Apen Reds, Armour Yellows, AS Blues, 2 AD + 1 AS Quints, start with E then W next. Start Cloth+5 and blue, can gank getting Q after wraiths. Has decent clear time. I still need mote runes but it works with APen Reds and AD Quints, although you do get really low and are at risk from counterjungling.

A few other things I've heard... Surprise Fiddlesticks coming out next week, Cait and Graves getting nerfs next patch, new BF+hybrid items coming soon, dedicated Korean Client and Season 2 should be after Harrowing I think?
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 01:43:19
October 22 2011 01:42 GMT
#954
LOL.

CLG "shit, we cant gank anyone. Cant gank morg and galio cuz of their shields"
"owait. Its loco on kog. and not trist. he thinks he has an escape but doesnt."
"riiiggghhhtt."
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 22 2011 01:48 GMT
#955
I live in teh same city as Ehomda and his team. hurr hurr

And the last 5 pages, damn you ootuh. Real derail.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 01:57:20
October 22 2011 01:49 GMT
#956
Saints yea is the best yea in the whole world.
Can't even spell it out properly.
Cackle™
whatsupchan
Profile Joined August 2011
United States61 Posts
October 22 2011 02:12 GMT
#957
locos team leaving to hide their items/comps/strats in history

clg finishes game anyway

lol
2035
LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
October 22 2011 02:15 GMT
#958
On October 22 2011 10:24 LancerJ wrote:
Lineup:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

Stats:
+ Show Spoiler +

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WhiteNights
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States252 Posts
October 22 2011 02:16 GMT
#959
On October 22 2011 09:50 LancerJ wrote:
I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc.

Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote:
It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items)

Ruby Crystal is 475 for 180 health. Heart of Gold gives 250 health, so that would be priced at 660 gold, but it costs 825 gold, so it takes thirty-three ticks to catch up, or five and a half minutes.

Also, is playing aggressive support 100% guaranteed to get you raped at high ELO? I'm literally never at 100% health or mana in lane because I trade harass every fifteen seconds.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 22 2011 02:23 GMT
#960
On October 22 2011 11:16 WhiteNights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 09:50 LancerJ wrote:
I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc.

Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote:
It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items)

Ruby Crystal is 475 for 180 health. Heart of Gold gives 250 health, so that would be priced at 660 gold, but it costs 825 gold, so it takes thirty-three ticks to catch up, or five and a half minutes.

Also, is playing aggressive support 100% guaranteed to get you raped at high ELO? I'm literally never at 100% health or mana in lane because I trade harass every fifteen seconds.

Except we're not comparing Hearts of Gold to Ruby Crystals, because nobody buys Ruby Crystals and just leaves them that way. We're comparing them to Doran's Ring, which is vastly more efficient than a Ruby Crystal.
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