EPT[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 47
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On October 22 2011 08:28 -Kato- wrote: Is that really all about getting or not getting gp10s? Who cares, your top is 0-3 and mid is afk. 0-3? Psh, I could carry that. I think you mean your top is 0-6, your jungle hasn't even stepped into the river all game, and your AD carry wants to go mid with your AP carry. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
You could make a logical argument based on how games actually play out, that really what Philo Stone needs to makeup for in gold, is 15 AP. It is superior in mp5, and superior in any situation where damage is traded at a non lethal level(the vast majority of lane phase, and for Soraka, probably most team fights). Even in a case where you were killed, you have to actually remove yourself from the moment and consider if 100 more HP would've actually meant you living. Were you at 100% hp when this engagement began(you may have been if you had philo instead of that DRing)... Essentially my point is leading to what we all actually know: this game doesn't work in a fucking vacuum. You can't just throw out math and call it a day, this isn't a WoW DPS spreadsheet. | ||
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
Also I guess my big fat disclaimer is that I'm notorious for building for the situation, and I have no qualms with buying like 4 small items and ending a game without ever making a big one. ... much to Neo's eternal chagrin. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On October 22 2011 08:32 red_ wrote: I really don't know how you can argue Philo being worth 0 gold, even if you absolutely despise the item. Are you at <100% hp? If yes, Philo is helping you win. Are you at <100% mana? If yes, philo is helping you win. Even on Soraka(here's the part where it makes sense even). Soraka can keep herself at peak mana with infuse, those are infuses not used to harass because of mana conservation. Soraka can heal herself, those are heals not used on your carry(and thus, armor not on your carry) which is not as helpful towards winning lane. Don't even attempt to tell me you are never taking damage for this choice to become apparent, everyone knows it's a lie, trades happen. You could make a logical argument based on how games actually play out, that really what Philo Stone needs to makeup for in gold, is 15 AP. It is superior in mp5, and superior in any situation where damage is traded at a non lethal level(the vast majority of lane phase, and for Soraka, probably most team fights). Even in a case where you were killed, you have to actually remove yourself from the moment and consider if 100 more HP would've actually meant you living. Were you at 100% hp when this engagement began(you may have been if you had philo instead of that DRing)... Essentially my point is leading to what we all actually know: this game doesn't work in a fucking vacuum. You can't just throw out math and call it a day, this isn't a WoW DPS spreadsheet. especially soraka is almost allways at 100% hp and drops to X during a major engangement, let's say a gank or a dragon fight. HP regen isnt helping you at all there. I'ts like not even close. mb you read the post again or sth. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On October 22 2011 08:11 HazMat wrote: Craton there is really no points in arguing with Utah. Regardless if he's right or wrong he'll write big words and long paragraphs and crush you down with his English degree. (not saying either of you are wrong, plz don't paragraph rape me plz) +1, graduate students 2 stronk at arguing. I find it funny that so much time was spent arguing over the LEAST important aspect of a support (you're not getting gold worth shit who the fuck cares what you build?) rather than areas in which a support can actually greatly effect the game (eg: how come EU supports >>> NA supports so hard?). For example ward placement/timings (when is the optimal time to place wards against all the junglers/lane matchups?) as well as optimal CV timings and placements (so many times you want a CV to cover for something and your support goes "nope just used it to check their blue that the enemy mid clearly has"). | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
Edit: Yup, Philo + HoG + Kage. gg smash :D | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
Southlight wrote: ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔ♥ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔ Turkey and Caller are bad influences on your posting attitude  Hey I didn't teach you to write that much, don't blame me! | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
now? buy not gp5 in 15 mins? buy gp5 | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Go out, eat pizza. Come back, half a page of simply ONE post. *cowers in corner sucking thumb* | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 22 2011 08:45 StuffedTurkey wrote: Hey I didn't teach you to write that much, don't blame me! Turkey so troll that it happens without conscious action or effort, a butterfly effect of trolling. | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On October 22 2011 08:53 red_ wrote: Turkey so troll that it happens without conscious action or effort, a butterfly effect of trolling. ChaosTurkey Theory new smurf incoming | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
But im thinking it ocncerns with money. | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
If there is a lot of fighting going on, I think the doran's rings would work better because you are more useful in fights. However, if it's mostly a poke war + farm fest, I feel that getting the g/10 items will benefit more because that's more income during that period. The reason most pro supports get g/10 is because there's not a lot of kills during laning phase, which means that spending the money to get items that provide good stats as well as increasing income for wards is better. | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On October 22 2011 09:05 RogerX wrote: I don't even know what GP5 and GP10 is. But im thinking it ocncerns with money. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Philosopher's_Stone http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Avarice_Blade http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kage's_Lucky_Pick http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Greed http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Runes#Avarice | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On October 22 2011 09:19 Inschato wrote: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Philosopher's_Stone http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Avarice_Blade http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kage's_Lucky_Pick http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Greed http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Runes#Avarice Thank you, I thought these were it. What does it stand for Gold point 5? Or something? | ||
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