EPT[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 45
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:43 spinesheath wrote: I kinda dislike Reverie on Soraka. I'd suggest a Soraka setup that focuses on a lot of CDR from runes, assuming you play passive in lane (soraka + cait, kog, ashe for example). Grab CDR boots and possibly Kindlegem for maxed CDR, then focus on AP or auras. Another approach would be to stay on boots1 and rush Morello's, with 20 CDR from runes/masteries (crazy, iknorite), followed by Rylai's (35% slow on 700 range is pretty good). Dunno, I don't like Soraka too much so I haven't examined all the options in detail, there might be better versions of the same concept. Janna, Sona, Taric, Alistar all are very strong with Reverie and because of that Philo is good on them. But I won't rush Philo over necessary wards or delay Reverie to acquire more gold from Philo. Basically same. I run DRings + Ionian and possibly Kindle or Codex depending on money, or just straight NLR depending on how the game's going. Hay, we're the exact same! I also run PStone on Janna. Sona I have no idea but I tended to forego pstone and just rush tears. I haven't played her on SR in like 2-3 months though, and the last time I played her was when her heal level 1 healed like 15. As for Taric: [4:44:44 PM] nightseternal: anyways, it's fairly common? understanding that taric falls off in teamfights [4:44:50 PM] nightseternal: hence why in order to stave off the uselessness you want ap [4:44:59 PM] nightseternal: auras are ok and one way to do it [4:45:08 PM] nightseternal: i simply have always preferred ap [4:45:15 PM] nightseternal: gold/10 tarics though are worthless through and through [4:45:18 PM] nightseternal: as they have neither [4:45:36 PM] nightseternal: it takes 30+ minutes for them to recupe the cost of a fuckin pstone that offers nothing in terms of post-laning effect [4:45:53 PM] nightseternal: and if ppl want to do it, that's fine [4:46:00 PM] nightseternal: but i will respectfully disagree and lay out my reasons [4:46:02 PM] nightseternal: that's [4:46:03 PM] nightseternal: fine Edit: The only gold/5 I'll get on Soraka is Kage, for the AP. Which I have done. My builds and everything have all been adapted from PGB ofc. He may do shit differently now. I may follow suit if I ever bother playing ranked SR again. But unless you're significantly higher than ~1900 rating last season in solo queue things have not changed enough for that setup to no longer work. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
 Flash stun any squishy that tries to poke during standoffs and if they don't trade flash they're dead. If they trade flash, well that's a carry who just traded flash with a support. I rarely think too hard about it though because game is usually over by the time I finish philo stone + boots 2 >.> Wota also nice on Taric imo. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
As I said to Neo, I may sound stubborn but I've been arguing this entirely on principle. I like to think that I have some level of notoriety for doing "weird" stuff with builds on all sorts of heroes. My support builds are almost never the same from game to game. I just hate when people say X is better than Y and the crux of their argument is that pros do it. For a long time pros said Chogath blew chunks. Then Chogath's scream got nerfed a zillion times and he's still considered a monster. Stop being brainless sheep please. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:45 Frolossus wrote: so should i buy brand or cass? Personally, Brand. Personally, he has one of the most enjoyable skills and they deal tons of damage | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
Morello's is pretty hilarious on Soraka, though. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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Craton
United States17302 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:57 Southlight wrote: Stop being brainless sheep please. Stop being brainless and assuming that using the highest tier of play as additional proof is somehow "being sheep." You have done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you (which is nearly everyone) and use bullshit psuedo-logic to further your opinion. Who gives a shit about what pros thought of Cho? It's completely irrelevant. Pros have tried both dring stacking and gp5 in head-to-head matchups and nearly always the gp5 support has come out on top. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:26 Craton wrote: Pros have tried both dring stacking and gp5 and nearly always the gp5 support has come out on top. Do you have some example games to show us? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Every one I saw featured a philo on support, and a completed or mostly completed shurelias by 30 minutes. HOG looked like it was a significant drain on that though, as people who went HOG+philo tended to be much further behind on items&shurelias timing. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Craton
United States17302 Posts
Step 1.) Go to tournaments from Dreamhack onward. Step 2.) Watch games. I don't write down which games in every tournament use gp5 vs drings. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:49 Southlight wrote: Basically same. I run DRings + Ionian and possibly Kindle or Codex depending on money, or just straight NLR depending on how the game's going. Hay, we're the exact same! I also run PStone on Janna. Sona I have no idea but I tended to forego pstone and just rush tears. I haven't played her on SR in like 2-3 months though, and the last time I played her was when her heal level 1 healed like 15.. Well I guess by now we can consider it very likely that we are mental clones or something like that. Imo currently Sona is fine mana wise with just Boots -> Reverie, maybe one DRing in there. You can't just spam mindlessly and you have to save some mana for teamfights, but it's good enough. I wouldn't want to spend 995 gold to fix her small mana issues. The 15 HP heal was hilarious though. So much fun when I maxed Q and still only healed for 15 HP at lvl 7. I either straight up max W on Sona or Q up to like rank 3 or 4 if it makes sense. You still get a ton of harrass damage from just Q-passive and save a bunch of mana because your heals are more efficient. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:44 JackDino wrote: Spectator testing is apparently up on the PBE atm. Awesome, I love how Riot listens to fans :D | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:46 Craton wrote: Step 1.) Go to tournaments from Dreamhack onward. Step 2.) Watch games. I don't write down which games in every tournament use gp5 vs drings. Well in particular, I don't see any recent games where supports actually got Doran's Rings. I just checked IEM China results, there were a total of zero rings on the supports (at least when the support wasn't pushed off the scoreboard). Two_Down just said that the same was basically true at IEM NY. This shows me that all the top teams actually do get gold items instead of Doran's, but it doesn't convince me that that's better, just that it definitely works. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
3mins till spectating once the game starts, dunno if it's always 3mins or based on loading somehow. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On October 22 2011 06:26 Craton wrote: Stop being brainless and assuming that using the highest tier of play as additional proof is somehow "being sheep." You have done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you (which is nearly everyone) and use bullshit psuedo-logic to further your opinion. Who gives a shit about what pros thought of Cho? It's completely irrelevant. Pros have tried both dring stacking and gp5 in head-to-head matchups and nearly always the gp5 support has come out on top. How is it irrelevant? o.o Do you actually know what the mental state of the pro's are and what they're actually planning when they buy their items? When you play your games, do you have exactly that same thought process? If you don't think like a pro, but build like them, then yes you are being a sheep. I mean, if you don't at least see why it's not always optimal to build a 15-20 minute HoG, then there's nothing to discuss here, at all. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
The spectator mode is like the one @ tourneys, pretty nice. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:45 Frolossus wrote: so should i buy brand or cass? I love both. I main Cass though. The amount of control she can have over the enemy when played well is astounding. However, she is pretty difficult to play well. Brand is super strong as well and overall it feels great to burst people down hard. If you've played both during free weeks, then buy whichever one you prefer, because they are both nasty AP carries. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
Why some people think that one is clearly not better than the other, I do not get. | ||
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