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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 21 2011 20:45 GMT
#881
so should i buy brand or cass?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 20:51:56
October 21 2011 20:49 GMT
#882
On October 22 2011 05:43 spinesheath wrote:
I kinda dislike Reverie on Soraka. I'd suggest a Soraka setup that focuses on a lot of CDR from runes, assuming you play passive in lane (soraka + cait, kog, ashe for example). Grab CDR boots and possibly Kindlegem for maxed CDR, then focus on AP or auras. Another approach would be to stay on boots1 and rush Morello's, with 20 CDR from runes/masteries (crazy, iknorite), followed by Rylai's (35% slow on 700 range is pretty good). Dunno, I don't like Soraka too much so I haven't examined all the options in detail, there might be better versions of the same concept.

Janna, Sona, Taric, Alistar all are very strong with Reverie and because of that Philo is good on them. But I won't rush Philo over necessary wards or delay Reverie to acquire more gold from Philo.


Basically same. I run DRings + Ionian and possibly Kindle or Codex depending on money, or just straight NLR depending on how the game's going. Hay, we're the exact same!

I also run PStone on Janna.

Sona I have no idea but I tended to forego pstone and just rush tears. I haven't played her on SR in like 2-3 months though, and the last time I played her was when her heal level 1 healed like 15.

As for Taric:
[4:44:44 PM] nightseternal: anyways, it's fairly common? understanding that taric falls off in teamfights
[4:44:50 PM] nightseternal: hence why in order to stave off the uselessness you want ap
[4:44:59 PM] nightseternal: auras are ok and one way to do it
[4:45:08 PM] nightseternal: i simply have always preferred ap
[4:45:15 PM] nightseternal: gold/10 tarics though are worthless through and through
[4:45:18 PM] nightseternal: as they have neither
[4:45:36 PM] nightseternal: it takes 30+ minutes for them to recupe the cost of a fuckin pstone that offers nothing in terms of post-laning effect
[4:45:53 PM] nightseternal: and if ppl want to do it, that's fine
[4:46:00 PM] nightseternal: but i will respectfully disagree and lay out my reasons
[4:46:02 PM] nightseternal: that's
[4:46:03 PM] nightseternal: fine

Edit:
The only gold/5 I'll get on Soraka is Kage, for the AP. Which I have done.
My builds and everything have all been adapted from PGB ofc. He may do shit differently now. I may follow suit if I ever bother playing ranked SR again. But unless you're significantly higher than ~1900 rating last season in solo queue things have not changed enough for that setup to no longer work.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 20:55:12
October 21 2011 20:53 GMT
#883
I've always liked DFG taric Flash stun any squishy that tries to poke during standoffs and if they don't trade flash they're dead. If they trade flash, well that's a carry who just traded flash with a support.

I rarely think too hard about it though because game is usually over by the time I finish philo stone + boots 2 >.>

Wota also nice on Taric imo.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 21 2011 20:57 GMT
#884
5hit loved DFG on his Taric... even before the ult rework lol :D

As I said to Neo, I may sound stubborn but I've been arguing this entirely on principle. I like to think that I have some level of notoriety for doing "weird" stuff with builds on all sorts of heroes. My support builds are almost never the same from game to game. I just hate when people say X is better than Y and the crux of their argument is that pros do it. For a long time pros said Chogath blew chunks. Then Chogath's scream got nerfed a zillion times and he's still considered a monster.

Stop being brainless sheep please.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 21 2011 21:16 GMT
#885
On October 22 2011 05:45 Frolossus wrote:
so should i buy brand or cass?

Personally, Brand. Personally, he has one of the most enjoyable skills and they deal tons of damage
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
October 21 2011 21:19 GMT
#886
I buy Reverie on Soraka because of how many times I've saved people by popping Reverie -> Flash -> Heal.

Morello's is pretty hilarious on Soraka, though.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
October 21 2011 21:20 GMT
#887
I don't feel like I would ever have the chance to get two gold/10 items early enough to make them worth it on support. I always get early philo for laning and then boots, but then I tend to need oracle for counterwarding and lots of wards. Then, the gold I get after fights/towers I mayas well work towards real items or Reverie.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 21:47:34
October 21 2011 21:26 GMT
#888
On October 22 2011 05:57 Southlight wrote:
Stop being brainless sheep please.

Stop being brainless and assuming that using the highest tier of play as additional proof is somehow "being sheep."

You have done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you (which is nearly everyone) and use bullshit psuedo-logic to further your opinion. Who gives a shit about what pros thought of Cho? It's completely irrelevant. Pros have tried both dring stacking and gp5 in head-to-head matchups and nearly always the gp5 support has come out on top.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
October 21 2011 21:33 GMT
#889
On October 22 2011 06:26 Craton wrote:
Pros have tried both dring stacking and gp5 and nearly always the gp5 support has come out on top.

Do you have some example games to show us?
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 21 2011 21:40 GMT
#890
I just went back and looked at a few of the score screens from IEM NY.


Every one I saw featured a philo on support, and a completed or mostly completed shurelias by 30 minutes. HOG looked like it was a significant drain on that though, as people who went HOG+philo tended to be much further behind on items&shurelias timing.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 21 2011 21:44 GMT
#891
Spectator testing is apparently up on the PBE atm.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 21:46:55
October 21 2011 21:46 GMT
#892
On October 22 2011 06:33 crate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 06:26 Craton wrote:
Pros have tried both dring stacking and gp5 and nearly always the gp5 support has come out on top.

Do you have some example games to show us?

Step 1.) Go to tournaments from Dreamhack onward.
Step 2.) Watch games.

I don't write down which games in every tournament use gp5 vs drings.
twitch.tv/cratonz
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 21 2011 21:47 GMT
#893
On October 22 2011 05:49 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:43 spinesheath wrote:
I kinda dislike Reverie on Soraka. I'd suggest a Soraka setup that focuses on a lot of CDR from runes, assuming you play passive in lane (soraka + cait, kog, ashe for example). Grab CDR boots and possibly Kindlegem for maxed CDR, then focus on AP or auras. Another approach would be to stay on boots1 and rush Morello's, with 20 CDR from runes/masteries (crazy, iknorite), followed by Rylai's (35% slow on 700 range is pretty good). Dunno, I don't like Soraka too much so I haven't examined all the options in detail, there might be better versions of the same concept.

Janna, Sona, Taric, Alistar all are very strong with Reverie and because of that Philo is good on them. But I won't rush Philo over necessary wards or delay Reverie to acquire more gold from Philo.


Basically same. I run DRings + Ionian and possibly Kindle or Codex depending on money, or just straight NLR depending on how the game's going. Hay, we're the exact same!

I also run PStone on Janna.

Sona I have no idea but I tended to forego pstone and just rush tears. I haven't played her on SR in like 2-3 months though, and the last time I played her was when her heal level 1 healed like 15..

Well I guess by now we can consider it very likely that we are mental clones or something like that.

Imo currently Sona is fine mana wise with just Boots -> Reverie, maybe one DRing in there. You can't just spam mindlessly and you have to save some mana for teamfights, but it's good enough. I wouldn't want to spend 995 gold to fix her small mana issues.

The 15 HP heal was hilarious though. So much fun when I maxed Q and still only healed for 15 HP at lvl 7.

I either straight up max W on Sona or Q up to like rank 3 or 4 if it makes sense. You still get a ton of harrass damage from just Q-passive and save a bunch of mana because your heals are more efficient.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 21 2011 21:50 GMT
#894
On October 22 2011 06:44 JackDino wrote:
Spectator testing is apparently up on the PBE atm.

Awesome, I love how Riot listens to fans :D
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
October 21 2011 21:56 GMT
#895
On October 22 2011 06:46 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 06:33 crate wrote:
On October 22 2011 06:26 Craton wrote:
Pros have tried both dring stacking and gp5 and nearly always the gp5 support has come out on top.

Do you have some example games to show us?

Step 1.) Go to tournaments from Dreamhack onward.
Step 2.) Watch games.

I don't write down which games in every tournament use gp5 vs drings.

Well in particular, I don't see any recent games where supports actually got Doran's Rings. I just checked IEM China results, there were a total of zero rings on the supports (at least when the support wasn't pushed off the scoreboard).

Two_Down just said that the same was basically true at IEM NY.

This shows me that all the top teams actually do get gold items instead of Doran's, but it doesn't convince me that that's better, just that it definitely works.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:06:46
October 21 2011 21:57 GMT
#896
Looks like there's a limit of 10spectators/game atm.
3mins till spectating once the game starts, dunno if it's always 3mins or based on loading somehow.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 21 2011 22:01 GMT
#897
On October 22 2011 06:26 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 05:57 Southlight wrote:
Stop being brainless sheep please.

Stop being brainless and assuming that using the highest tier of play as additional proof is somehow "being sheep."

You have done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you (which is nearly everyone) and use bullshit psuedo-logic to further your opinion. Who gives a shit about what pros thought of Cho? It's completely irrelevant. Pros have tried both dring stacking and gp5 in head-to-head matchups and nearly always the gp5 support has come out on top.


How is it irrelevant? o.o

Do you actually know what the mental state of the pro's are and what they're actually planning when they buy their items? When you play your games, do you have exactly that same thought process? If you don't think like a pro, but build like them, then yes you are being a sheep.

I mean, if you don't at least see why it's not always optimal to build a 15-20 minute HoG, then there's nothing to discuss here, at all.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:13:31
October 21 2011 22:09 GMT
#898
People should buy avarice blade instead of hog because 1 random crit can win you the lane.
The spectator mode is like the one @ tourneys, pretty nice.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 21 2011 22:18 GMT
#899
On October 22 2011 05:45 Frolossus wrote:
so should i buy brand or cass?


I love both. I main Cass though. The amount of control she can have over the enemy when played well is astounding. However, she is pretty difficult to play well.

Brand is super strong as well and overall it feels great to burst people down hard.

If you've played both during free weeks, then buy whichever one you prefer, because they are both nasty AP carries.
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#900
I don't get it: one argument provides math into why getting 2nd gp5 and even first gp5 (mainly Soraka it seems) is inefficient; the other side, provides evidence which supposedly contradicts the said math because 'pros who do it win'.

Why some people think that one is clearly not better than the other, I do not get.
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