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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
4 wards can cover all you need to know on the map, some one posted a map of it earlier. top buys 1 ward. mid buys 1 ward. support buys 2 wards. you have now blocked off all ganks possible. now you can actually get shurelya's/shroud/aegis/etc or other items that make big differences in fights. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:08 Brees wrote: supports should not be buying all the wards anyway, i hate when we have like a lvl 11 soraka with only a philostone, dumbest shit ever. 4 wards can cover all you need to know on the map, some one posted a map of it earlier. top buys 1 ward. mid buys 1 ward. support buys 2 wards. you have now blocked off all ganks possible. now you can actually get shurelya's/shroud/aegis/etc or other items that make big differences in fights. Amusingly, that would be me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257629 and I mentioned essentially the exact same ward responsibility setup :> Edit: Orrrrrrrrr I didn't mention it in my post maybe. Probably brought it up on IRC/Skype to some people and mashed all the convos together. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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crate
United States2474 Posts
If you can win a fight or get an objective during the first ~20 minutes of the game by buying Doran's instead of a gold item you've immediately come out ahead unless the game drags on. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:13 zulu_nation8 wrote: I don't like wriggles anymore I like just getting a vamp and rushing bf sword like the old days, it's pretty retarded to have a wriggles in lane as cait or whatever vs a kog who rushed IE. Brees meant the jungler :> 4 spots, mid takes one, top takes one, support takes two boom covered, now the jungler's ward can go anywhere. Alternatively if support only takes one and jungler takes the fourth then the support's wards (or wriggle wards) can start covering more specialized areas, like buffs and side bushes. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
In other words, I get them because I want the stats that they provide early, but I know that I am going to be gold starved anyway so the ability to upgrade them into useful items is a HUGE plus. For example, when I jungle, I want health. I have 3 options really, Belt, Kindlegem, and HOG. IMO belt is nice, but the items that you build out of it are all stupidly expensive, so basically I'm going to be sitting there for a long ass time with an item that was more expensive than the other 2. Kindlegem is also nice, and is what I go for if I want an SV. Otherwise, the HOG is a very useful placeholder, and very cheap. and it just gives me the stat that I want, while at the same time paying me back. And not only is it cheaper than just grabbing a belt, since its a 2nd buy, I am going to have it for quite a while, so rather than grabbing a belt that doenst do anything, a HOG pays me back. As for support, I think it depends on how you are going to build. If your going for an ap build (ie rush a cap as fast as you can while still doing your job) I think it makes sense to stack rings because the ap they provide gets the dcap bonus, while still providing health and mp5. If, on the other hand, you are going to play more passive support, I think a philo makes more sense than a dring because you are going to grab shurelias (and again, when gold starved, grab the items with as little unnecessary spending as possible), and because it opens more slots up to grab parts of other items like aegis. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
Not that it's that hard anyways with just any wards... just gauge how far the enemy champ went in what direction and you've pretty much got a ward kill. EDIT: As the opposing laner, not as the oracle holder. Almost always I buy a pink ward instead of a regular ward when I come back to lane. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:14 Southlight wrote: Brees meant the jungler :> 4 spots, mid takes one, top takes one, support takes two boom covered, now the jungler's ward can go anywhere. Alternatively if support only takes one and jungler takes the fourth then the support's wards (or wriggle wards) can start covering more specialized areas, like buffs and side bushes. i was trying to derail this boring discussion | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:13 zulu_nation8 wrote: I don't like wriggles anymore I like just getting a vamp and rushing bf sword like the old days, it's pretty retarded to have a wriggles in lane as cait or whatever vs a kog who rushed IE. Following this train of thought, I still don't know when it's a good idea to go for wriggles vs dorans or fast BF sword as AD bot. Any comments? | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:21 Lanzoma wrote: Following this train of thought, I still don't know when it's a good idea to go for wriggles vs dorans or fast BF sword as AD bot. Any comments? afaik it basically comes down to whether you want armor or hp | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:21 Lanzoma wrote: Following this train of thought, I still don't know when it's a good idea to go for wriggles vs dorans or fast BF sword as AD bot. Any comments? IMO? Never. I always hated the idea simply because it gets in the way of what you want. The only time I think you could justify it is if you are trying to do some sort of 3 wriggles strategy and baron at like 20 minutes. Otherwise I dont think it can ever justify how much it slows down your first bf sword. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On October 22 2011 05:23 Brees wrote: wriggles is good against anyone but kog and vayne. simple answer. More incentive to get it if they have shaco or noct or lee sin jungling or any other ad. Agreed about junglers but why vayne and not ezreal? | ||
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
When I'm not busy stacking dblades or rushing Starks, I mean. Also I'm pretty sure people only buy wriggles as AD bot when they're losing the lane. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Janna, Sona, Taric, Alistar all are very strong with Reverie and because of that Philo is good on them. But I won't rush Philo over necessary wards or delay Reverie to acquire more gold from Philo. | ||
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
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