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On November 01 2011 05:14 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 05:08 Mogwai wrote:On November 01 2011 04:58 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On November 01 2011 04:51 Mogwai wrote:
ArPen is basically strictly better at every single point in the game. Except when your opponent has less armor than you have penetration. Flat ad is strictly better when there's wasted penetration. and also after you have Last Whisper. Since flat penetration is taken into account prior to the percentage penetration of the Last Whisper you're better off having flat ad and last whisper than arpen and last whisper. The difference is likely negligible though. say Last Whisper vs. 200 Armor Opponent with 200 AD without factoring marks. AD Marks: (208.55 damage x 100)/(100 + 120) = 94.8 damage/attack ArPen Marks: (200 damage x 100)/(100 + 111) = 94.8 damage/attack This is like, one of the optimal conditions for AD marks, and there's less than a 0.1 difference in damage there. And like, when is 15 ArPen going to be overkill? It's not, but 31 often is (AD marks, quints, and the arpen mastery.)
While this might be true at level 1, every hero gains armor as they level up so they will get more than 31 armor at some point or another. That said, I was merely pointing out situations where your blanket statement was incorrect even though in a practical game sense that area is negligible (as I already stated before you even bothered mathcrafting).
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Something extremely satisfying about picking up those halloween move quints for my singed. I get to outrun pretty much anything and just trash my lane versus anyone who doesn't know how to deal with singed.
Had a game where I ended up top vs Wukong and Cho'gath. After killing them both with the best baited tower dive ever I proceeded to just run around killing minions and laughing as they tried to catch and stop me from farming. I don't think I've ever seen someone so scared of singed before that a 2v1 lane is dominated by the one guy simply because of the other sides apprehension to fight me until the point it's too late to actually stop me.
Singed sadly can't carry games that go completely belly up except for his lane as I found out in another game.
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Wait, how can PENETRATION be overkill? Penetration works to INCREASE damage if it gets the armor/mres below 0, right?
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On November 01 2011 05:37 shinarit wrote:
Wait, how can PENETRATION be overkill? Penetration works to INCREASE damage if it gets the armor/mres below 0, right?
No, penetration doesn't go below 0, reduction gets it below 0, like soraka starcall.
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RE: APen vs Flat AD
Practice last hitting on Anivia/Morgana/Soraka without any AD. Go into a real game as Ashe/Cait with Doran's Blade and AD Quints/Marks. Instant perfect last hitting skill.
More seriously if you're going to harass and take control of the lane (which you should be doing as Cait/Kog'maw/Ezreal every time) flat AD isn't your best option.
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Anyone else see grenades and think of the Jersey Shore use of the word?
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did you know that although in theory you should keep resistances and hp in balance because they both complement each other, but in reality you should have comparatively more HP instead of resistances because of LW and Void?
Also where are the patch notes god.
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On November 01 2011 06:01 Shikyo wrote:
did you know that although in theory you should keep resistances and hp in balance because they both complement each other, but in reality you should have comparatively more HP instead of resistances because of LW and Void?
Also where are the patch notes god.
This is why I prefer to build a banshee's veil on my carries over a QSS. My friends say I should get the QSS, but I like the mana and HP from BV.
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On November 01 2011 06:07 Sabin010 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 06:01 Shikyo wrote:
did you know that although in theory you should keep resistances and hp in balance because they both complement each other, but in reality you should have comparatively more HP instead of resistances because of LW and Void?
Also where are the patch notes god. This is why I prefer to build a banshee's veil on my carries over a QSS. My friends say I should get the QSS, but I like the mana and HP from BV.
I think QSS is more important in higher level play where people actually initiate coordinated-ly(new word =P) and properly pop your veil beforehand. i personally just get veil cause i live the mana and dont have that doh! moment when i forget to activate QSS or dont activate it quick enough.
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is it ok for people to report me because i start manamune + boots of lucidity on ashe for W spam?
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On November 01 2011 06:29 DoXa wrote:
is it ok for people to report me because i start manamune + boots of lucidity on ashe for W spam?
They can report you but nothing will happen. Just don't go Manamune on Ashe and end up 0 11.
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people care way too much about runes, rjs got 3/4 of his accounts to first page with only 2 rune pages and he even used a mix of t1 + t3 runes for awhile
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Hell no man. CDR Ashe is one of the most fun things to do. Not the best... but fun as hell.
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On November 01 2011 06:29 DoXa wrote:
is it ok for people to report me because i start manamune + boots of lucidity on ashe for W spam?
Just get a philo/miracle, then. Manamune full on useless for Ashe.
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On November 01 2011 06:01 Shikyo wrote:
did you know that although in theory you should keep resistances and hp in balance because they both complement each other, but in reality you should have comparatively more HP instead of resistances because of LW and Void?
The other way to think about this is that the ideal balance point for HP and armor is such that the EHP/gold of buying each stat is equal--and that LW/Void just make each point of armor/MR 66% more expensive (since you only get 60% as much as you normally would when LW/Void are in play).
On November 01 2011 06:07 Sabin010 wrote:
This is why I prefer to build a banshee's veil on my carries over a QSS. My friends say I should get the QSS, but I like the mana and HP from BV.
QSS is also significantly cheaper. Buying BVeil because you like the mana+HP is a pretty iffy argument, given that QSS+Cata is virtually the exact same cost as BVeil, and gives very similar stats (slightly less HP/mana, but more MR). Obviously you'd never buy QSS + Cata, but the point is that while you're not getting HP/Mana from QSS, the item is also costed accordingly. The only real comparison point between QSS and BVeil is the value of the actives--in terms of stat cost-effectiveness, they're basically in the same place.
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On November 01 2011 06:30 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 06:29 DoXa wrote:
is it ok for people to report me because i start manamune + boots of lucidity on ashe for W spam? They can report you but nothing will happen. Just don't go Manamune on Ashe and end up 0 11.
we lost the match, mainly because of the enemy solo top akali who went 4/0... i went 3/4, team blamed my build for our defeat and reported me T_T. i found the build pretty nice, alot of poke and arrow often usable. you'll transition into standard PD, BT/IE build later. Manamume gives you roughly 40AD fully charged, so almost a BF sword
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On November 01 2011 06:37 DoXa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 06:30 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 01 2011 06:29 DoXa wrote:
is it ok for people to report me because i start manamune + boots of lucidity on ashe for W spam? They can report you but nothing will happen. Just don't go Manamune on Ashe and end up 0 11. we lost the match, mainly because of the enemy solo top akali who went 4/0... i went 3/4, team blamed my build for their lost and reported me T_T. i found the build pretty nice, alot of poke and arrow often usable
Fuck those haters. zz
3 4 is fine. As long as you're not full blown feeding, Tribunal won't penalize you for trying "fun" builds.
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