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On November 01 2011 03:36 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 03:34 JackDino wrote:On November 01 2011 02:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 01 2011 02:51 Seuss wrote:On November 01 2011 02:41 Mogwai wrote:
what? he's level 21, why would he flush money down the drain on tier 1s when you could buy the real runes that he'll want for the rest of his time playing the game. T1 runes are dirt cheap and when you decide it's time to switch to T3 you can just play the lottery with them anyway. 21 T1 runes built for jungling cost only 550 IP. As soon as you can get t3 runes, get them. You essentially cost yourself ~1k gold in starting stats by having shitty runes compared to other people in the game. Just try playing runless for a game. Its shit. And lol at whoever started the scumbag Jatt thing. I will now never be able to say his name as anything besides scumbag Jatt. A FULL T1 set costs about as much as 3 T3 runes, just getting a T1 set of runes while working towards your T3 runes is much better than working towards your T3 runes, you'll actually miss out on more stats by not getting your T1 runes unless you have like 15k IP. It's not about getting T1 runes instead of T3 runes, it's getting T1 runes because you can't afford a full set of T3 runes. Its a different mindset. For example, would you get kat instead of talon if you wanted an assassin? Talon is MUCH better, but he costs 2x as much. Personally, I'd just save up and get talon.
Just buy kat and talon with RP no one cares about champs. If kat was like 1k IP and talon 6.3k I'd buy kat any day yes. A full set of T3 runes costs atleast 15k depending on runes, a full set of T1 runes costs about 1k IP or so, not really comparable lol.
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Rofl, I see Regi browsing TL.
Poor guy, feel bad for him as well as the rest of CDE.
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On November 01 2011 03:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What is the single best defensive item ? I'm trying to carry on my gf's account with Talon solo top in deep Elo hell and after my 2 BTs, my bruta, my Triforce, and my CDR boots, I don't know what to add.
Warmog ? Banshee ? Guardian angel ?
(I'm asking that because I usually can score doubles/triples, but die afterward and the game is, of course, lost)
single slot best item is probably stacked warmogs but it takes a while to stack it. if you're getting it after 2 BTs triforce and bruta there's no way you're gonna get the full value out of it
so instead, i'd get guardian angel
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On November 01 2011 03:58 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 03:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What is the single best defensive item ? I'm trying to carry on my gf's account with Talon solo top in deep Elo hell and after my 2 BTs, my bruta, my Triforce, and my CDR boots, I don't know what to add.
Warmog ? Banshee ? Guardian angel ?
(I'm asking that because I usually can score doubles/triples, but die afterward and the game is, of course, lost) single slot best item is probably stacked warmogs but it takes a while to stack it. if you're getting it after 2 BTs triforce and bruta there's no way you're gonna get the full value out of it so instead, i'd get guardian angel
But if you are getting a ton of kills/assists, you can stack it fairly fast, especially as talon where your aoe is going to tag a lot of people in fights for assist credits.
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On November 01 2011 03:07 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 03:03 Craton wrote:
lol
tier 1 set is 100000% worth getting see, to me, they are 0% worth getting. w/e, I can't get into your mindset, so I'll just shut up.
I'm going to have to agree with Mogwai here. I didn't buy any runes till lvl 20 and only bought teir 3.
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what? with that build, it's GA hands down.
with 50% lifesteal and no prior resists, resists are king over HP.
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On November 01 2011 03:59 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 03:58 gtrsrs wrote:On November 01 2011 03:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What is the single best defensive item ? I'm trying to carry on my gf's account with Talon solo top in deep Elo hell and after my 2 BTs, my bruta, my Triforce, and my CDR boots, I don't know what to add.
Warmog ? Banshee ? Guardian angel ?
(I'm asking that because I usually can score doubles/triples, but die afterward and the game is, of course, lost) single slot best item is probably stacked warmogs but it takes a while to stack it. if you're getting it after 2 BTs triforce and bruta there's no way you're gonna get the full value out of it so instead, i'd get guardian angel But if you are getting a ton of kills/assists, you can stack it fairly fast, especially as talon where your aoe is going to tag a lot of people in fights for assist credits.
ok?
i know you like to disagree for the sake of disagreeing but i don't see how your first fight with an unstacked warmog's, getting 3 kills worth of stacks on it for your second fight, 3 more for your third, and the last 3 or 4 before you're even fully stacked is efficient at all. that takes like 4 fights to fully stack via kills/assists. you can clearly see in his post that he said he can get a double or triple then he dies and loses the game so we aren't going to that point
but yes, twodown. in a game where he's NOT dying and managing a penta every fight but still not able to win, he would stack his warmog's pretty quickly and in this niche situation it would be a good item
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On November 01 2011 04:05 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 03:59 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 01 2011 03:58 gtrsrs wrote:On November 01 2011 03:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
What is the single best defensive item ? I'm trying to carry on my gf's account with Talon solo top in deep Elo hell and after my 2 BTs, my bruta, my Triforce, and my CDR boots, I don't know what to add.
Warmog ? Banshee ? Guardian angel ?
(I'm asking that because I usually can score doubles/triples, but die afterward and the game is, of course, lost) single slot best item is probably stacked warmogs but it takes a while to stack it. if you're getting it after 2 BTs triforce and bruta there's no way you're gonna get the full value out of it so instead, i'd get guardian angel But if you are getting a ton of kills/assists, you can stack it fairly fast, especially as talon where your aoe is going to tag a lot of people in fights for assist credits. ok? i know you like to disagree for the sake of disagreeing but i don't see how your first fight with an unstacked warmog's, getting 3 kills worth of stacks on it for your second fight, 3 more for your third, and the last 3 or 4 before you're even fully stacked is efficient at all. that takes like 4 fights to fully stack via kills/assists. you can clearly see in his post that he said he can get a double or triple then he dies and loses the game so we aren't going to that point but yes, twodown. in a game where he's NOT dying and managing a penta every fight but still not able to win, he would stack his warmog's pretty quickly and in this niche situation it would be a good item
I mean, thinking about it more GA is probably the way to go on an already lowish health build like that.
I just like mogs because it provides intimidation that lasts for longer than 1 fight (bads are really scared of high hp targets). I typically get a mogs as a 3 or 4th item at the latest and never have a problem charging it, mostly because I find that after a certain point Id rather have more defense than another bf sword. I just dont particularly buy the "you'll never get mogs stacked" argument because you need 5 kills/assists to half stack a mogs, and you snowball from there into the next fight, wheras if you blow your ga rez at any point your kinda stuck for the next 3 minutes.
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On November 01 2011 03:56 Roffles wrote:
Rofl, I see Regi browsing TL.
Poor guy, feel bad for him as well as the rest of CDE.
Yeah listened to his rant video, nothing I didn't hear already just repeated for their youtube channel, but now angry over their loss. Though really what could they do but play the game, if they didn't play the series as some sort of protest they would just get disqualified vs playing and having a chance to go to Korea.
Granted I wish CDE had just had better teamwork and won the series more than anything.
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I always thought GA was best single defensive item on assassin's. You go in, do your burst, if you get killed you get to go in and do your burst all over again. Plus it gives you MR and Armor.
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As far as the rune thing goes... If you're level 21 and looking to jungle, at LEAST get T3 armor yellows and probably AS/ARP reds (as far as the ARP goes, on most junglers you want 12 ARP - so either 4 ARP runes + offensive masteries, or 7 ARP runes without the arp mastery.) Quints next - Blues are less important since they don't directly impact your first clear (you'll probably be looking at some kind of MR blue runes for a default jungler page), and the first clear is what really gets dicey without runes, ESPECIALLY those armor yellows.
I dunno about you, but I had a good amount of IP saved up when I hit 20, so the above strategy worked fine.
If you aren't level 20 yet, T1 runes are great because they're cheap and as mentioned, that's a lot of gold worth of stats you're missing out on. Don't touch T2 runes, they're too expensive for what will still eventually be sub-optimal benefit.
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You actually don't really NEED armour yellows to jungle, other runes like attackspeed yellows work aswell.
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it depends on the jungler. armor are the cheapest and most universally useful.
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On November 01 2011 04:22 JackDino wrote:
You actually don't really NEED armour yellows to jungle, other runes like attackspeed yellows work aswell.
When you have full pages to work with, yeah, you can brute force it with other runesets, but when you're learning jungle, it's generally best to go with the armor because it's safer and less prone to little screwups like not using your skills 100% optimally for jungling and such.
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On November 01 2011 04:22 JackDino wrote:
You actually don't really NEED armour yellows to jungle, other runes like attackspeed yellows work aswell.
that's just not true though
i remember i used to run ar/level yellows for a better lategame and when i finally switched to armor yellows i used half as many pots and finished twice as fast because i didn't have to wait for pots to kick in between camps
armor yellows are the most pivotal runes for any jungler
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not to mention armor yellows super useful on laners too. armor yellows prob safest runes u can buy
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if you're looking to save IP, Armor Seals and MRes Glyphs work well on literally every page.
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On November 01 2011 04:26 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 04:22 JackDino wrote:
You actually don't really NEED armour yellows to jungle, other runes like attackspeed yellows work aswell. that's just not true though i remember i used to run ar/level yellows for a better lategame and when i finally switched to armor yellows i used half as many pots and finished twice as fast because i didn't have to wait for pots to kick in between camps armor yellows are the most pivotal runes for any jungler
Depending on jungler attackspeed yellows can be better. It's pretty obvious flat armour is better than armour/lvl in jungle. Some junglers can also run dodge which is far far better late.
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Wow I said vlad was a good solo queue champion and now shikyo thinks he's op and I look like an idiot, fml.
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On November 01 2011 04:28 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 04:26 gtrsrs wrote:On November 01 2011 04:22 JackDino wrote:
You actually don't really NEED armour yellows to jungle, other runes like attackspeed yellows work aswell. that's just not true though i remember i used to run ar/level yellows for a better lategame and when i finally switched to armor yellows i used half as many pots and finished twice as fast because i didn't have to wait for pots to kick in between camps armor yellows are the most pivotal runes for any jungler Depending on jungler attackspeed yellows can be better. It's pretty obvious flat armour is better than armour/lvl in jungle. Some junglers can also run dodge which is far far better late.
I don't know a single jungler where attack speed yellow is better on, not even warwick needs that.
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