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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 31 2011 16:51 GMT
#3321
Why the hell are people argueing with shikyo about how good vlad is, he played some vlad games, stomped some idiots, think it's the best champ ingame and you all try to prove him otherwise. It's the same guy that used to say ad shaco solotop was legit.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:55:08
October 31 2011 16:54 GMT
#3322
On November 01 2011 01:51 JackDino wrote:
Why the hell are people argueing with shikyo about how good vlad is, he played some vlad games, stomped some idiots, think it's the best champ ingame and you all try to prove him otherwise. It's the same guy that used to say ad shaco solotop was legit.

Actually it's Odds who first advocated that but I still advocate it, solotop AP shaco is totally amazing


And it's not because I stomped some noobs with it o_o It just feels super strong, kind of like pre-nerf Garen did.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 31 2011 17:08 GMT
#3323
No it was you who used to advocate solotop shaco playing him aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages ago, no mention of ap either. And after a few games you changed your mind and said shaco solotop was bad, because you realized he couldn't lane against anyone with half a brain.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 31 2011 17:18 GMT
#3324
On November 01 2011 01:51 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:44 ak1knight wrote:
Which is the best jungler for a non-level 30 (level 24 so I can max one mastery tree)? I have enough RP for WW, Noct, Mumu, and Fiddle.


Noct is a good pub stomper. Mumu is always good.

That said, I'd recommend saving for Lee Sin.

EDIT: Also consider Irelia.

Irelia is a garbage jungler.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 17:21:08
October 31 2011 17:20 GMT
#3325
How is Irelia a garbage jungler, she may be far better top but in no way is she a garbage jungler.
Ashe is what I'd consider a garbage jungler.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 31 2011 17:23 GMT
#3326
Because she's incredibly slow.
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danana
Profile Joined March 2011
United States321 Posts
October 31 2011 17:24 GMT
#3327
Hello, I'm level 21 and have some noob questions...

so first of all, I absolutely hate sharing farm, and most teams at my level don't have jungle (jungle is the only role that I have no clue how to play)... although playing draft mode instead of blind pick seems to have helped. should i just learn how to jungle? i'm kind of hesitant though because i don't like the idea of trusting my teammates to leash for me and to have a 1v2 top lane... plus my runes are pretty bad.

for runes, how long can i put off buying good runes before they'll have a major impact on the game? i've been saving almost all my IP for champions just because i figure unlocking new champions gives me more fun/IP than runes (i usually don't like playing the same champions very long).
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 31 2011 17:26 GMT
#3328
On November 01 2011 02:23 Craton wrote:
Because she's incredibly slow.


Her first run is a little slow, but her ganks are potent. More importantly, her mid-late game strength more than makes up for whatever arguable deficits that she has during that first run.
Wayra
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 17:42:38
October 31 2011 17:26 GMT
#3329
On November 01 2011 00:57 dignity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:44 ak1knight wrote:
Which is the best jungler for a non-level 30 (level 24 so I can max one mastery tree)? I have enough RP for WW, Noct, Mumu, and Fiddle.


I would suggest ww as a starting jungler just because it is much easier to learn to jungle since its safer.

Nunu has a built in smite that heals him so he can't actually fail at jungling.




meh, I wouldn't recommend WW to start; it's such a pain to gank with him. When I first went into jungling, I started with WW, because I read that WW is the "jack of all trades" and very strong and solid jungler. Well this is true, but you can also say that he doesn't excel at anything.

But the biggest reason why you don't want to jungle WW in the beginning or lower elos is because your lanes will fail all the time, and as a weak pre-6 ganker you can't do shit about that. This will cause your lanes to lose, and snowball into inevitable defeat. Beginners also don't know how to play safetly, buy wards, not overextend. So you need to abuse that with strong gankers.

Oh and another reason, since pre-6 WW ganks are the shittiest thing ever. Especially, you are not lvl 30, this is actually a double whammy, first the opponent team will probably not have a jungler and you will have a 1v2 lane, then your solo top won't know how to handle this matchup. Having a weak ass ganker like WW really really really sucks in this situation. Your top lane will start with a doran's blade and then blame you for not ganking.

I am taking the time to tell you this, because I don't want you to make the same mistake that I did. Playing WW was SOOOOO painful in the beginning.

Don't get me wrong, WW is a VERY VERY strong champion. He has a 80% att speed steroid and a 40% as bonus to allies. He can permanently have a 40% movement speed buff. And he has a nuke/heal that SCALES off HP (20% of HP). Then, there is his passive: with a madred's blood razor, wit's end and his steroid, he does 2 attacks in 1 second, so for 10 seconds of attacking on a single target, he can heal more than 1000 hp without any lifesteal.

Then there is his ultimate, an instant 1.8 suppression with an impressive 700 range.


Anyway:
For starting, you can jungle with fiddlesticks, udyr, or noct. they have powerful ganks, and add great utility for your team. I recommend getting shaco, because of his strong ganks and u can abuse that against beginners.

The order of preference:

Shaco: he has invisibilty, he is getting another buff, he offers great ganks. Beginners have trouble against stealth characters. The fact that you will need to gank a lot because you will have a lot of 1v2 lanes due to lack of enemy junglers makes shaco a great pick.

Fiddlesticks: Super easy to jungle, decent ganks pre-level 6. Post level 6, you melt people consider that beginners don't buy MR, and usually pick squishies. You should expect to faceroll.

Noct: Can gank before lvl 6, scales well into late game. Super ganks after lvl 6, can dive like no other.

Udyr: Can gank before lvl 6, pretty tanky, really fast clearing times, you can clear enemy jungle camps.

GP/lee sin: Never jungled with these guy personally, the reason is because I expected lee sin and GP to get nerfed when they got "discovered" after their buffs. And didn't want to risk spend so much IP, in case they nerfed them into a mordekaiser.

Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 31 2011 17:29 GMT
#3330
if you wanna make up for inevitable 1v2 failures, just get Xin Zhao. #1 level 2 gank.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 17:36:06
October 31 2011 17:35 GMT
#3331
On November 01 2011 02:29 Mogwai wrote:
if you wanna make up for inevitable 1v2 failures, just get Xin Zhao. #1 level 2 gank.

Xin also jungles with not a full runepage pretty well. Also, when theres a 1v2 lane your jungling will involve you being in that lane a LOT (depending), and his presence in lane in the early game is pretty decent. Sometimes it will turn into "take 1-2 small camps, go back to lane for a while." and just be at a level advantage because you're taking small camps and they aren't.
ak1knight
Profile Joined April 2010
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 17:37:15
October 31 2011 17:36 GMT
#3332
I ended up going for Noct since he was cheaper than WW and his ult is so awesome. I played 2 bot games to get the hang of him, first game I died to wraiths and blue and obviously way underleveled by the end (only 1 level above beginner bots). Second game I did better because I grabbed some armor yellows and played it a little safer. I'm trying to go Golems>Wraiths>Wolves>Blue but the first two games I had to blow a pot on wolves and so I couldn't blue, which may be attributed to me only having 4 armor yellows and AP/lvl blues instead of MR.
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 31 2011 17:39 GMT
#3333
Xin is a pretty good soloqueue jungle, pretty good speed, amazing ganks. Only problem is he so fucking item dependend after earlygame.
Awesomo
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 17:41:10
October 31 2011 17:39 GMT
#3334
On November 01 2011 02:24 danana wrote:
Hello, I'm level 21 and have some noob questions...

so first of all, I absolutely hate sharing farm, and most teams at my level don't have jungle (jungle is the only role that I have no clue how to play)... although playing draft mode instead of blind pick seems to have helped. should i just learn how to jungle? i'm kind of hesitant though because i don't like the idea of trusting my teammates to leash for me and to have a 1v2 top lane... plus my runes are pretty bad.

for runes, how long can i put off buying good runes before they'll have a major impact on the game? i've been saving almost all my IP for champions just because i figure unlocking new champions gives me more fun/IP than runes (i usually don't like playing the same champions very long).


You'd want to get some jungler with a godlike gank that allows you to carry the shit out of your team, the last couple pages of this thread have some nice examples.

For runes, you should probably get tier1's. They offer like 50% of what t3 gives you for about a tenth of the price.

Learning to jungle is something i can really reccomend. Back when i started playing udyr i got objectively better at this game
I have an ice-cold beer, everything is possible.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 31 2011 17:41 GMT
#3335
what? he's level 21, why would he flush money down the drain on tier 1s when you could buy the real runes that he'll want for the rest of his time playing the game.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 31 2011 17:47 GMT
#3336
On November 01 2011 02:41 Mogwai wrote:
what? he's level 21, why would he flush money down the drain on tier 1s when you could buy the real runes that he'll want for the rest of his time playing the game.

a full set of tier 1s cost like 1k or less and give >50% of the stats of tier 3s?
Awesomo
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands206 Posts
October 31 2011 17:49 GMT
#3337
Well he said he finds getting new champs more fun and exciting than runes, and a full set of t1s is what, like less than 2k ip?
I have an ice-cold beer, everything is possible.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 31 2011 17:50 GMT
#3338
On November 01 2011 02:47 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 02:41 Mogwai wrote:
what? he's level 21, why would he flush money down the drain on tier 1s when you could buy the real runes that he'll want for the rest of his time playing the game.

a full set of tier 1s cost like 1k or less and give >50% of the stats of tier 3s?

uhg, whatever.

this is stupid ass logic to me. only makes sense if you have no intentions to ever spend much IP on runes, which is retarded if you ever want to take the game at all seriously.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 31 2011 17:50 GMT
#3339
As far as junglers go, WW and Nunu are cheap. Play them, they don't need runes (although they clear faster with runes) and you don't have to invest a ton of IP. You don't even know if you like jungling yet so why spend 6300 IP when you could just spend 450 on Nunu and 1350 on WW.


In other news, I'm surprised no one mentioned that Reginald got banned. He went through and talked about all the WCG shit on Solomid and on the official forums. Most of it was stuff we already knew but he also mentioned the name of the contractor that WCG hired for North America as well as revealing that Voyboy told that WCG contractor that Canada had played two sets (although it's unclear if Voyboy was misinformed or if he intentionally lying). Apparently Reginald got banned for it and now the forums are up in arms over that too.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 31 2011 17:51 GMT
#3340
On November 01 2011 02:41 Mogwai wrote:
what? he's level 21, why would he flush money down the drain on tier 1s when you could buy the real runes that he'll want for the rest of his time playing the game.


T1 runes are dirt cheap and when you decide it's time to switch to T3 you can just play the lottery with them anyway. 21 T1 runes built for jungling cost only 550 IP.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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