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Deux
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States159 Posts
September 28 2011 22:20 GMT
#3221
Finally hit 30 this afternoon and played my first ranked game. How do your early games work? Something similar to placement games in SC2? I mean obviously it can't be identical as lol is more openly Elo based but I'd think they would have some similarities.

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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 28 2011 22:22 GMT
#3222
On September 29 2011 06:57 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 04:34 Hakker wrote:
Why dont people play Leblanc more?

Sure, her and kassadin fill similar roles, but early-midgame leblanc's damage is probably the scariest of any champions, even if you do have a negatron or w/e. Kassadin takes a really long time to get to the point where he can 2 shot squishies, leblanc can do it from level 6.



actually I met a sick good LB player some games ago (ranked soloq). He played support LB with CV and shit. Camped brush bottom basicly and they won their lane hard. With just lucky pick, a couple dorans and soulstealer your on the boat.

soulstealer is probably the most underused support item there is. I mean either they focus the support which is kinda bad since the farmed carries will rape em then, or they dont, so you rack up stacks real fast. everything above 5 stacks is basicly free AP. It's just a little hard to get it but so far it allways payed out on old soraka and still on sona.

1) Don't get stack items if you plan to get oracles.
2) Don't get stack items if you might want to sacrifice yourself to protect your carries.
3) Supports typically try to get items that are a lot more efficient than just base items. Doran's, Aegis, that kind of stuff. For Mejai's to match that you need way more than 5 stacks.
4) In higher level games, you don't get the money to afford a mejai's on a support early because you don't get many assists. And even if you get it some day, there still are so few kills that you barely get any stacks.
5) If you drop a huge chunk of your money (for a support) on a Mejai's, you will die VERY quickly if focused (stuff like Aegis, Doran's and Reverie all provide some survivability). The enemy team focusing you over someone else is most likely not going to be detrimental for them in this case, since supports aren't useless in combat either.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 28 2011 22:23 GMT
#3223
Anyone ever notice that if you load relatively fast, then the last ~40% or so is bullshit? Like you're actually done loading at 60%, and then 60%-100% is slowed way down to wait for everyone else
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Brambled
Profile Joined July 2010
United States750 Posts
September 28 2011 22:24 GMT
#3224
On September 29 2011 07:20 Deux wrote:
Finally hit 30 this afternoon and played my first ranked game. How do your early games work? Something similar to placement games in SC2? I mean obviously it can't be identical as lol is more openly Elo based but I'd think they would have some similarities.

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After around 10 games your elo will show up to you. If you are under 1250ish then it will only be visible to you. 1260+ an everyone can see it if it is your highest elo.
Holykitty
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands246 Posts
September 28 2011 22:24 GMT
#3225
On September 29 2011 07:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone ever notice that if you load relatively fast, then the last ~40% or so is bullshit? Like you're actually done loading at 60%, and then 60%-100% is slowed way down to wait for everyone else


no


:D

even so it wouldnt be the first game ever where the load bar is meaningless
Where there's smoke, there's me
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
September 28 2011 22:25 GMT
#3226
On September 29 2011 07:20 Deux wrote:
Finally hit 30 this afternoon and played my first ranked game. How do your early games work? Something similar to placement games in SC2? I mean obviously it can't be identical as lol is more openly Elo based but I'd think they would have some similarities.

Unless you duo queue, for your first 10 ranked games you will only play against other players who are playing in their first 10 ranked games (but it otherwise uses the standard matchmaking algorithm as far as I know). If you duo that can pull you into regular matchmaking.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
September 28 2011 22:25 GMT
#3227
Mejai is cool on a support if you have a carry that's very fed. It doesn't seem like much but it simply helps you seal the deal a lot faster.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 22:33:45
September 28 2011 22:26 GMT
#3228
On September 29 2011 07:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone ever notice that if you load relatively fast, then the last ~40% or so is bullshit? Like you're actually done loading at 60%, and then 60%-100% is slowed way down to wait for everyone else

Coincidence. Maybe specifically for your setup, maybe because of file sizes/order and other random shit.
But I REALLY doubt that Riot would add code to "smooth" the loading for multiple people. I expect all kinds of bad code, but not that. Really.

On September 29 2011 07:25 Juicyfruit wrote:
Mejai is cool on a support if you have a carry that's very fed. It doesn't seem like much but it simply helps you seal the deal a lot faster.

By the time your Mejai's starts getting efficient, you usually could easily have the money for an Aegis, Wota, Reverie or Starks. All of which are most likely going to help you seal the deal a lot better than a Mejai's.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 22:38:55
September 28 2011 22:38 GMT
#3229
Meh, I was remembering the days where support healers actually had godlike ratios on their heals but yeah.. AP ratios have been gimped too now for most supports that you can't get the same benefits from soulstealer.
isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
September 28 2011 22:44 GMT
#3230
On September 29 2011 07:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone ever notice that if you load relatively fast, then the last ~40% or so is bullshit? Like you're actually done loading at 60%, and then 60%-100% is slowed way down to wait for everyone else


I do notice that almost every person I get put in games with has worse internet than I could ever imagine.
Loose lips sink ships
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
September 28 2011 22:50 GMT
#3231
<- Always last to load ~_~
TranslatorBaa!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 28 2011 22:53 GMT
#3232
On September 29 2011 07:20 Deux wrote:
Finally hit 30 this afternoon and played my first ranked game. How do your early games work? Something similar to placement games in SC2? I mean obviously it can't be identical as lol is more openly Elo based but I'd think they would have some similarities.


Yeah, it's basically the same as placement matches as I understand them, just in lol they show you your elo.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
September 28 2011 23:01 GMT
#3233
Not only loading bars are not smooth, they are also different for each player point of view.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 28 2011 23:01 GMT
#3234
On September 29 2011 07:26 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 07:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone ever notice that if you load relatively fast, then the last ~40% or so is bullshit? Like you're actually done loading at 60%, and then 60%-100% is slowed way down to wait for everyone else

Coincidence. Maybe specifically for your setup, maybe because of file sizes/order and other random shit.
But I REALLY doubt that Riot would add code to "smooth" the loading for multiple people. I expect all kinds of bad code, but not that. Really.

But when I load a custom game where I'm the only person playing, it loads 0-60% in like 4 seconds, and then it just starts. And every single time I play a multiplayer game, it does the first 60% fast, and then crawls.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 23:10:59
September 28 2011 23:07 GMT
#3235
Is it worth doing the crawl to 30? I mean I find myself constantly loading up this game over SC2 and I was determined to make it high enough in one of these games to compete at a low competitive level (lans etc. nothing "pro").

I am honestly questioning if its worth putting in the time to attempt to compete by dragging to 30 then trudging my way to a high elo and then finding a decent team\clan as opposed to doing the same in Sc2 (getting high masters for weekly tourny's) which admittedly relies less on other people for success

I am 15 in game now, played dota for about 6 years before quitting a while ago so I am familiar with the ARTS genre.

On the flip side being competitive in a ARTS requires less time.
TooL
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada275 Posts
September 28 2011 23:08 GMT
#3236
On September 29 2011 08:01 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 07:26 spinesheath wrote:
On September 29 2011 07:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone ever notice that if you load relatively fast, then the last ~40% or so is bullshit? Like you're actually done loading at 60%, and then 60%-100% is slowed way down to wait for everyone else

Coincidence. Maybe specifically for your setup, maybe because of file sizes/order and other random shit.
But I REALLY doubt that Riot would add code to "smooth" the loading for multiple people. I expect all kinds of bad code, but not that. Really.

But when I load a custom game where I'm the only person playing, it loads 0-60% in like 4 seconds, and then it just starts. And every single time I play a multiplayer game, it does the first 60% fast, and then crawls.


Sometimes I notice that the game just suddenly loads quite awhile before everyone is at 100%
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
September 28 2011 23:09 GMT
#3237
On September 29 2011 07:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
<- Always last to load ~_~


Lol I am either first or last. True story. I am almost never 2nd or third or anything but first or last. I've been to a few LANs too and I've noticed that the load bar is crap and shows up completely different for different computers....
Holykitty
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands246 Posts
September 28 2011 23:12 GMT
#3238
On September 29 2011 08:01 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 07:26 spinesheath wrote:
On September 29 2011 07:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone ever notice that if you load relatively fast, then the last ~40% or so is bullshit? Like you're actually done loading at 60%, and then 60%-100% is slowed way down to wait for everyone else

Coincidence. Maybe specifically for your setup, maybe because of file sizes/order and other random shit.
But I REALLY doubt that Riot would add code to "smooth" the loading for multiple people. I expect all kinds of bad code, but not that. Really.

But when I load a custom game where I'm the only person playing, it loads 0-60% in like 4 seconds, and then it just starts. And every single time I play a multiplayer game, it does the first 60% fast, and then crawls.


its possible that the first 60% is just textures and stuff, the rest connecting to other people and ai and whatever,
Where there's smoke, there's me
Arthemesia
Profile Joined May 2011
United States292 Posts
September 28 2011 23:19 GMT
#3239
For me it loads to about 90% really fast and then the last ten percent goes really slow. It seems like it's just different based on different computers.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
September 28 2011 23:25 GMT
#3240
On September 29 2011 07:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Anyone ever notice that if you load relatively fast, then the last ~40% or so is bullshit? Like you're actually done loading at 60%, and then 60%-100% is slowed way down to wait for everyone else


Yep. I put LoL on my SSD for kicks and I see pretty much the same as you.
whole lies with a half smile
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