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Holykitty
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands246 Posts
September 28 2011 20:12 GMT
#3201
i dont see how poppy is any more retarded than trynd, karthus or zilean, their ults all break basic game rules to give basically free kills.
Where there's smoke, there's me
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 20:17:50
September 28 2011 20:16 GMT
#3202
things that completely block CC are more irritating than things that prevent death/damage IMO. it's part of the reason I'm tearing my hair out over the fact that Morgana's back in favor.

but yea, Poppy's does both, which makes it really infuriating and then you kill her but instead she's still alive anyway because of that damn passive.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
September 28 2011 20:17 GMT
#3203
On September 29 2011 05:06 Mogwai wrote:
LB's late game is fine, the main problem is that people wayyyy overkill their main target. Like, you can do stuff like Q a tanky DPS -> R a carry -> W them both (Carry dies) -> E the DPS -> W back out rather than just unloading everything on the carry which makes it seem like you're just a bad assassin who immediately runs out of gas after 1 kill.


Not to mention a lot of Le Blancs don't plan their build to get 40% cdr for the end game.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 28 2011 20:18 GMT
#3204
On September 29 2011 05:17 Sabin010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 05:06 Mogwai wrote:
LB's late game is fine, the main problem is that people wayyyy overkill their main target. Like, you can do stuff like Q a tanky DPS -> R a carry -> W them both (Carry dies) -> E the DPS -> W back out rather than just unloading everything on the carry which makes it seem like you're just a bad assassin who immediately runs out of gas after 1 kill.


Not to mention a lot of Le Blancs don't plan their build to get 40% cdr for the end game.

like it's that hard to just grab blue buff and a blue elixir...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
September 28 2011 20:22 GMT
#3205
I was thinking more along the lines of blue pot and a DFG. DFG into QERQWW is good cause you root 2dps guys and still kill the carry.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
September 28 2011 20:45 GMT
#3206
I'm just hoping the changes they have planned for poppy end up including a meaningful change to her ult and not just stupid number tweaks.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 28 2011 20:47 GMT
#3207
On September 29 2011 05:45 Craton wrote:
I'm just hoping the changes they have planned for poppy end up including a meaningful change to her ult and not just stupid number tweaks.

numbers tweaks aren't capable of fixing anything about Poppy because she's already "fine" balance-wise. It's just that the whole kit is unfun and frustrating for everyone involved.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 21:00:01
September 28 2011 20:53 GMT
#3208
Can't a snowballing LB grab stuff like Banshee and CDR to help her survivability late game, instead of more AP to overkill more that poor carry who won't buy much defense anyway?

On September 28 2011 11:31 TheYango wrote:
[TheOddOne] starts Boots+3Pot, 9/0/21, with arpen marks, armor seals, mr glyphs, and flat AP quints (also has used a page with MPen marks, armor seals, mr glyphs, and 2x MS + 1x AP quints, but I don't think he stuck with that page). Stacks his saplings on wolves to instaclear them at 1:40, then gets a big pull on blue->wraiths->minis->bluepill->whatever. Item build is roughly boots->RoA->Sorcs or Mercs->Sheen/Spellblade/BVeil/Glacial in whatever order makes most sense for the game..


Just tried it. I thought it'd be strange and have a weak early, but if you can grab an early gank to get that catalyst then it scales quite fast once you've got your RoA and starts tanking stuff.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 21:00:17
September 28 2011 20:59 GMT
#3209
Meh, double post I'm stupid.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 28 2011 21:11 GMT
#3210
On September 29 2011 05:47 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 05:45 Craton wrote:
I'm just hoping the changes they have planned for poppy end up including a meaningful change to her ult and not just stupid number tweaks.

numbers tweaks aren't capable of fixing anything about Poppy because she's already "fine" balance-wise. It's just that the whole kit is unfun and frustrating for everyone involved.

Well. It's pretty fun for the Poppy player. And pretty funny for their teammates.
It's your boy Guzma!
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
September 28 2011 21:22 GMT
#3211
I have been increidbly lucky in ranked lately. I finally got one of those trash playes I've been playing against. Lanes yorick against a gp who had a top elo 500 points higher. Before 10 minutes yorick has 26 cs and gp has 73. He then dives the turret and double kills just with his q. We lost that game so hard because the yorick was terrible. Doesn't ask for help, even though he's getting owned for 10 minutes.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
September 28 2011 21:31 GMT
#3212
On September 29 2011 06:22 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I have been increidbly lucky in ranked lately. I finally got one of those trash playes I've been playing against. Lanes yorick against a gp who had a top elo 500 points higher. Before 10 minutes yorick has 26 cs and gp has 73. He then dives the turret and double kills just with his q. We lost that game so hard because the yorick was terrible. Doesn't ask for help, even though he's getting owned for 10 minutes.

Did placement matches on a smurf, guy picks olaf. 10 seconds before end of time he says "no jungle" Our renekton gets smite. Olaf has to go top (I was against it) turns out he can't CS and that he has AP runes on.

"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 28 2011 21:44 GMT
#3213
after playing about 15 or so games not a single person on my team has won their lane yet, reset is amusing still though. Hopefully it will even out eventually
Brees on in
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
September 28 2011 21:54 GMT
#3214
Speaking about lee, according to low elo people only ban him because he counters akali.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
September 28 2011 21:57 GMT
#3215
On September 29 2011 04:34 Hakker wrote:
Why dont people play Leblanc more?

Sure, her and kassadin fill similar roles, but early-midgame leblanc's damage is probably the scariest of any champions, even if you do have a negatron or w/e. Kassadin takes a really long time to get to the point where he can 2 shot squishies, leblanc can do it from level 6.



actually I met a sick good LB player some games ago (ranked soloq). He played support LB with CV and shit. Camped brush bottom basicly and they won their lane hard. With just lucky pick, a couple dorans and soulstealer your on the boat.

soulstealer is probably the most underused support item there is. I mean either they focus the support which is kinda bad since the farmed carries will rape em then, or they dont, so you rack up stacks real fast. everything above 5 stacks is basicly free AP. It's just a little hard to get it but so far it allways payed out on old soraka and still on sona.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 28 2011 22:07 GMT
#3216
On September 29 2011 06:22 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I have been increidbly lucky in ranked lately. I finally got one of those trash playes I've been playing against. Lanes yorick against a gp who had a top elo 500 points higher. Before 10 minutes yorick has 26 cs and gp has 73. He then dives the turret and double kills just with his q. We lost that game so hard because the yorick was terrible. Doesn't ask for help, even though he's getting owned for 10 minutes.

How does yorick lose to GP? O_O
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
September 28 2011 22:11 GMT
#3217
On September 29 2011 07:07 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 06:22 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I have been increidbly lucky in ranked lately. I finally got one of those trash playes I've been playing against. Lanes yorick against a gp who had a top elo 500 points higher. Before 10 minutes yorick has 26 cs and gp has 73. He then dives the turret and double kills just with his q. We lost that game so hard because the yorick was terrible. Doesn't ask for help, even though he's getting owned for 10 minutes.

How does yorick lose to GP? O_O


Bad yorick is bad
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 28 2011 22:11 GMT
#3218
Until you start needing Oracles where you're essentially worth 400 extra gold with a pretty little bullseye graphic on your head. What does that extra bit of AP actually do for you anyways?

For all the snowball items you're essentially throwing gold into the trashcan. After you have 4 stacks (win a team fight after you just threw gold into the garbage) you've basically bought a super expensive blasting wand that you can't build into anything.

If it gains more stacks you come out ahead, but you're giving yourself a weaker early or mid game on the chance that it'll snowball into becoming useful. While you can somewhat guarantee stacks on a support character, I'd rather that gold be spent on wards and oracles for map control. The support has a very limited gold pile in the first place.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Holykitty
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands246 Posts
September 28 2011 22:12 GMT
#3219
On September 29 2011 07:07 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 06:22 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I have been increidbly lucky in ranked lately. I finally got one of those trash playes I've been playing against. Lanes yorick against a gp who had a top elo 500 points higher. Before 10 minutes yorick has 26 cs and gp has 73. He then dives the turret and double kills just with his q. We lost that game so hard because the yorick was terrible. Doesn't ask for help, even though he's getting owned for 10 minutes.

How does yorick lose to GP? O_O


yar har diddly dee, being a pirate is so fun to be
Where there's smoke, there's me
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
September 28 2011 22:13 GMT
#3220
On September 29 2011 07:07 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 06:22 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I have been increidbly lucky in ranked lately. I finally got one of those trash playes I've been playing against. Lanes yorick against a gp who had a top elo 500 points higher. Before 10 minutes yorick has 26 cs and gp has 73. He then dives the turret and double kills just with his q. We lost that game so hard because the yorick was terrible. Doesn't ask for help, even though he's getting owned for 10 minutes.

How does yorick lose to GP? O_O


He ate an orange and he was k.
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