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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 21 2011 21:36 GMT
#761
irelia vs renekton is fine l0l full armor runepage and cloth 5 np. once i had wriggles that game vs renek i dominated the lane. irelia vs anyone is fine since w is op you just stack whatever resistance you need. q is also op for lasthitting under tower which is why i ended up 40 cs ahead of rumble vs tx or whatever. but id rather play cho or galio if we're running kog. renek, udyr, etc just rushed kog and there was nothing i could do about it, although part of that probably had to do with the amount of death going on earlier in the game.
GANDHISAUCE
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 21 2011 21:37 GMT
#762
you were playing vs bad renek and rumbles, both shit on irelia.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 21 2011 21:42 GMT
#763
On October 22 2011 05:08 BlackPaladin wrote:
Yeah we don't have a ryze player. I still think cho will be a strong pick if they run renekton. They seem to really like lategame comps though so they might just run nasus or gp.

i play ryze o.o zil also those are like the only aps i play.
GANDHISAUCE
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 21 2011 21:48 GMT
#764
I never saw you play ryze before lol. well if so you should definitely practice him a bit today before the game, just in case.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
ChoBz
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada836 Posts
October 21 2011 22:37 GMT
#765
What time is the match today?
ChoBz
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 21 2011 22:51 GMT
#766
There's a chance I might not be back on time. Necrosed or Astarwulf should be prepared to sub :<
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 21 2011 23:45 GMT
#767
What time will you be back? We were planning on ~7pm pst (10pm est) We can push it forward maybe an hour (8pm pst) but that's about it or otherwise I can't play and then we need another sub lol. Going to talk to him around 6-6:30pm pst to figure out exact time though. ;o
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 22 2011 02:13 GMT
#768
Playing now. No stream for us, unfortunately:

Game 1:

Bans:
Graves not allowed
sion, Udyr, xerath, kogmaw, morgana, talon

Picks:
TL: janna, ryze, sona, cait, ww
IgI: cass, rumble, vayne, ali, trundle


"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 02:20:45
October 22 2011 02:20 GMT
#769
On October 22 2011 06:15 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:55 TheYango wrote:
I don't think these damage comparisons are relevant to that game, is the thing. You have Kog, Irelia, Brand. Damage is NOT the department where your carries are lacking--your weakness is lack of defensive CC for the purpose of protecting 2 carries that both have no escapes-compounded by the fact that your chosen support, Soraka, ALSO does not offer that sort of protection. Your jungler absolutely needed to be one that could transition into being a defensive support lategame, not a damage dealer. In terms of jungle control/ganking, Rammus was fine, but where he's lacking is that his protective power simply did not meet the needs of your team. Hence why I said that Maokai and Nunu were the best picks (though Jungle Cho'gath or Alistar were also reasonable off-beat picks that might sacrifice early control).


You are right, but at the same time I feel like because of the amount of single-target stuns they had, if we throw rammus at them, they'd have to pick pretty hard between throwing those stuns at rammus or keep trying to bumrush our carries, since their damage was pretty lackluster.

If Ezreal tries to kite rammus, then he can just go back to killing Kennen or whatnot. If Ezreal doesn't buy CDR boots his damage and mobility goes way down in teamfight as well, and if he does buy CDR boots then 3 second taunt will absolutely demolish him in 1 flash.

This is a pretty tough discussion though because I don't know how much you have actually tried to experiment with DPS rammus.

I can usually tell pretty well if a build worked because it's gimmicky/opponents played bad, and when it's genuinely good. In this case I'd say it's pretty good considering I could completely insta-gib fed solo carries (3-0 swain, albeit his flash was down but him being at full health) in 3 seconds while being 0-0-0 out of jungle with just zerker greaves and wriggles.

The thing is, if DPS Rammus is enough damage to be a relevant danger to the threats on the enemy team, then what's the point of picking Kog'maw and Brand, who are not self-sufficient in team-fights? If you're not going to bring the necessary support to keep them safe in fights, and don't need their vastly superior damage output, then they're going to end up being a liability, and you'd have been better off picking more supportive/self-sufficient AD/AP.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 22 2011 02:53 GMT
#770
you guys running ap janna mid?
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 02:56:27
October 22 2011 02:55 GMT
#771
we lost lol will post later:

game 2:
bans:
sion morg xerath rumble cass kog

picks:
TL: udyr, taric, ez, brand, akali
IgI: ww, ali, cait, ori, renekton

Navi will be playing for us in place of ChoBz feeding his sick sis because he didn't just listen and feed her sooner lol. If Navi doesn't get back in 5 mins though we're playing 4v5 lolol. Too strong.

edit: and ya, AP janna mid but cass is literally one of the only AP champs that can beat that shit. -_-
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 22 2011 02:58 GMT
#772
I told you we needed to practice with me playing AP vs your Janna mid!
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 22 2011 02:59 GMT
#773
janna/ww/ryze/cait gives you probably the lowest damage comp possible
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 22 2011 03:08 GMT
#774
We know. We're mainly just using this for practice vs people who are good. ;o
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 03:33:59
October 22 2011 03:33 GMT
#775
On October 22 2011 11:20 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 06:15 Juicyfruit wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:55 TheYango wrote:
I don't think these damage comparisons are relevant to that game, is the thing. You have Kog, Irelia, Brand. Damage is NOT the department where your carries are lacking--your weakness is lack of defensive CC for the purpose of protecting 2 carries that both have no escapes-compounded by the fact that your chosen support, Soraka, ALSO does not offer that sort of protection. Your jungler absolutely needed to be one that could transition into being a defensive support lategame, not a damage dealer. In terms of jungle control/ganking, Rammus was fine, but where he's lacking is that his protective power simply did not meet the needs of your team. Hence why I said that Maokai and Nunu were the best picks (though Jungle Cho'gath or Alistar were also reasonable off-beat picks that might sacrifice early control).


You are right, but at the same time I feel like because of the amount of single-target stuns they had, if we throw rammus at them, they'd have to pick pretty hard between throwing those stuns at rammus or keep trying to bumrush our carries, since their damage was pretty lackluster.

If Ezreal tries to kite rammus, then he can just go back to killing Kennen or whatnot. If Ezreal doesn't buy CDR boots his damage and mobility goes way down in teamfight as well, and if he does buy CDR boots then 3 second taunt will absolutely demolish him in 1 flash.

This is a pretty tough discussion though because I don't know how much you have actually tried to experiment with DPS rammus.

I can usually tell pretty well if a build worked because it's gimmicky/opponents played bad, and when it's genuinely good. In this case I'd say it's pretty good considering I could completely insta-gib fed solo carries (3-0 swain, albeit his flash was down but him being at full health) in 3 seconds while being 0-0-0 out of jungle with just zerker greaves and wriggles.

The thing is, if DPS Rammus is enough damage to be a relevant danger to the threats on the enemy team, then what's the point of picking Kog'maw and Brand, who are not self-sufficient in team-fights? If you're not going to bring the necessary support to keep them safe in fights, and don't need their vastly superior damage output, then they're going to end up being a liability, and you'd have been better off picking more supportive/self-sufficient AD/AP.


Wellllll, I think "brute force" is a legitimate strategy to be honest, in which you load up so much high-threat targets making it impossible for the other team to any target before the other ones overcompensate in damage.

At the very least their team comp would have trouble dealing with this because of Taric and Renekton being lack-luster when your team can get rolled over.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 03:42:50
October 22 2011 03:39 GMT
#776
Okay so games were here:

NOTE: WE KNOW WE HAD BAD PICKS lol
No need to diagnose anything. We know where we fucked up. We used this to diagnose what we need to improve and we're going to practice on all of those things. Next tourny we'll do better. =)

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"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 22 2011 03:41 GMT
#777
My diagnosis, not enough Tap
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 22 2011 03:57 GMT
#778
Not enough Rhav imoimoimo

Oh wells, they look like a crazy tough team T_T
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 22 2011 04:35 GMT
#779
Not enough feeder Singed top. Obv why we lost.

But hey, we're still in contention for 3rd, so keep heads high guys!
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 04:49:38
October 22 2011 04:49 GMT
#780
Yeah we can still win 3rd spot and win a website of our very own. TL2.net! ;o
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
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