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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2011 03:32 r.Evo wrote: Yeah true. Though keeping a list like that (including elo) up to date is a hell of a horrible punishment for whoever makes the OP. =S TBH we just need to keep the Summoner Name List thread up to date. Anyone who wants to look up someone's account can just do so through the client or through the ladder website. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On September 01 2011 03:39 TheYango wrote: TBH we just need to keep the Summoner Name List thread up to date. Anyone who wants to look up someone's account can just do so through the client or through the ladder website. This. We dont want shake to be spammed by people who just got another reason for asking to increase their elo:x | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 31 2011 23:40 SHr3DD3r wrote: Thats funny cause I still play swain every now and then, he is still strong as fuck but in certain match ups. As Southlight(Uta) mentioned he rapes almost all if not all melees (yes he does). And he certainly does dominate certain AP lanes too. I for one never ever have a problem against Malz or Vlad when I am Swain. Would you to care to elaborate on how you play him against Vlad? It only happened once to me and I got beat pretty badly (several deaths and less cs, had to switch lanes with Gragas). His Q seems to have a longer range and he was "poking" me with it (didn't look at his rune setup but from level 3 onward it was 150-200 damage each time), without me being able to retaliate (add to it that I opened sapphire and him boots, he just went in, Q, went out, couldn't do much), so I shrugged and told myself I may have learned a losing match-up for Swain the hard way, but since you say he dominates it... I tend to max W after E on him rather than Q though. I'd believe you if you told me it's not optimal, I guess it's because I'm quite new (and bad, let's face it, it's just that a lot are even worse than me) and I play rather defensive naturally. Plus I'm a CDR whore, so that 16s CD spell is making me cringe, and I can't resist the urge to lower that Eldritch abomination. I don't feel comfortable as a mage without some AoE to soften the creeps before I lose them to my tower when I'm in an unfavorable position and pushed hard. Regarding Morgana, she can't OS mages at level 5 with W and DR alone, she lets them leave at something akin to 15hp. Noticed that since I mained her almost from the start and I couldn't wait for my level 20 and those AP runes. I chose AP/level marks since by level 5 they're equal if not better, and are enough AP with DR to the one-shotting. I didn't really pay attention at when the creeps start survivng again since I'm usuall farmed enough to get that AP item for RoA by the time it occurs. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
I'm just starting to feel comfortable with playing with a lot of TL'ers in games, since I just got myself over 1200 elo, and still often make retarded mistakes in TL games that make people facepalm at me I'm sure (apologies to everyone who was in the game where i tried to jungle fiddle for the first time, i'm getting better). Before that I was hovering around 1000, and still thought I knew a shitload about LoL until I started looking up the summoner profiles of people on this forum (Chrispy and Loci surprised me the most, they were 2200 elo and I didn't even know that anyone but pros could get up there). I don't think there's anything wrong with having an opinion with regards to champions and such - I think the line has to be drawn where someone who is 700 elo above you is saying something completely different, and you're telling him that he's wrong. Edit: The way to play against vlad is to realize that he has essentially no damage output after he uses his Q, since it's cooldown is very high at early levels, and even at level 9 the CD is still 3-4 seconds. Open boots+3 against vlad, if he's running at you don't let him land a Q, and zone the hell out of him when you know his Q is on CD. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:14 Alzadar wrote: What are some champions that can make good use of the Manamune? It seems like a cool item in theory but most champs seem to take ages to max it out. Urgot seems like a given for it, I've tried it on Alistar with just constant E spamming every time it is off cooldown, still takes forever to max out. I used to run it on a lot of champs a long time ago but like you said it takes very long to max out. It works pretty well on Yorick because he really spams a lot. Some people build it on Blitz, i would disagree with that but it's not horrible or anything. It's just a very long term item and the game just feels like it gets decided so very early on. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
Lokan, I was thinking about our Skarner build that we were working on a while ago - we were just going tear, but manamune would likely work real well, no? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:14 Alzadar wrote: What are some champions that can make good use of the Manamune? It seems like a cool item in theory but most champs seem to take ages to max it out. Urgot seems like a given for it, I've tried it on Alistar with just constant E spamming every time it is off cooldown, still takes forever to max out. Urgot Yorick Blitz Corki are some common ones. The thing is though, for the most part, champs that can use manamune generally don't need it. Take Corki for example, Manamune is boss on him since it lets him spam nonstop in and out of battles without really ever running out of mana. The problem is though, that Manamune isn't as cost-effective or as good as other items and getting a Manamune sets you behind by like 2.5k-ish gold. If you can avoid getting a Manamune to play your champ optimally, you should. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On September 01 2011 01:09 Caller wrote: who cares you're from eu that automatically means you're on a high horse of inflated elo thats almost as high as the greek version of the euro LOL shit got real EU personal | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
also lol@jazriel returning as zalz On September 01 2011 00:44 Caller wrote: goddamn i didn't think you guys could do it, now there are at least five people in this thread that piss me off more than shikyo. shikyo has actually been pushed off my shitlist. congrats. wish I was one of them but I don't have a chance... I mean I have obnoxious opinions but I'm just not loud enough voicing them. Need to be more strident. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
Also is viability a function of: A) Meta-game (ie. Common champions picks, bans, and team comps?) AND/OR B) Lane-ing power (ie. Wins against X type of champion, but loses to Y type of champions) 5 Viable champions =/= A good team | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On September 01 2011 01:23 r.Evo wrote: Neo, we totally need a system where users are stopped from posting until they upload a screenshot with their summoner name+elo. If it's below the elo of one of the other people who argumented for the other side they get an autoban for a few days. The defendent may then challenge a summoner appointed by the plaintiff for a 1n1 to reestablish his reputation. If he loses he gets a one month ban. Please forward this to the TL tech team. ...even though it would make GD less fun if you're eating popcorn. =/ If this happened, I would be banned every day because I am terrible at this game hahahahaha. On September 01 2011 04:14 Alzadar wrote: What are some champions that can make good use of the Manamune? It seems like a cool item in theory but most champs seem to take ages to max it out. Urgot seems like a given for it, I've tried it on Alistar with just constant E spamming every time it is off cooldown, still takes forever to max out. Urgot is obvious. He loves everything it gives him. I like it on Corki a lot. That extra mana really gives you a buffer when you just want to camp lanes and afk farm and then suddenly need to spam spells to keep getting Sheen procs in teamfights all of a sudden. Yorrick I have never played so I can't comment but I can imagine it would work well. As for Blitz... I have had some success but I feel that I'd rather have a Cata+Mercs instead to live longer. The extra mana is nice, but you shouldn't be terribly low on mana unless you use Q to farm or something. You're mostly gated by CD. Also, you shouldn't rely on his passive. THat shield isn't actually affected by Armour/MRes iirc so it depletes really fast. And if it goes off when you have full mana, you've done something wrong. I prefer playing Blitz tanky and putting down lots of CC with Q+E+R. With a Triforce, you have a lot of innate burst anyway. Get Atmas if you want more damage in my opinion. Although, if you're against a bad team, Manamune lets you pull off some really funny stunts. More of something in fun normals than something I would play when I'm in serious mode imoimo. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Then again it seems like Kog can build anything and still do amazingly well. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Uta mentioned Swain shitting on all bruisers with sustain including Irelia and at least staying on par with ww/Udyr but in my low-elo (yes I mentioned it so people know I'm bad before I express my opinion, sigh) brain, wouldn't Xin have an early sustain as well as damage exchange advantage? Not only does he have a great gap/closer but at level 3 his combo is brutal and not to mention FAST. If the Swain did not immediately drop a W to get away then he eats a full 3-talon strike and will eventually lose the lane due to Xin's superior sustain pre-6, no? Post-6 I can see Xin losing but couldn't he stretch his early advantage long enough to beat Swain? | ||
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Southlight
United States11761 Posts
Can't tell you for sure how the lane turns out based on numbers though because I don't play a remotely decent Swain and I also don't play XZ. You'd have to test individual cases out. Irelia can't do shit to Swain though because she just gets locked in the middle. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
On September 01 2011 03:52 Alaric wrote: Would you to care to elaborate on how you play him against Vlad? It only happened once to me and I got beat pretty badly (several deaths and less cs, had to switch lanes with Gragas). His Q seems to have a longer range and he was "poking" me with it (didn't look at his rune setup but from level 3 onward it was 150-200 damage each time), without me being able to retaliate (add to it that I opened sapphire and him boots, he just went in, Q, went out, couldn't do much), so I shrugged and told myself I may have learned a losing match-up for Swain the hard way, but since you say he dominates it... I tend to max W after E on him rather than Q though. I'd believe you if you told me it's not optimal, I guess it's because I'm quite new (and bad, let's face it, it's just that a lot are even worse than me) and I play rather defensive naturally. Plus I'm a CDR whore, so that 16s CD spell is making me cringe, and I can't resist the urge to lower that Eldritch abomination. I don't feel comfortable as a mage without some AoE to soften the creeps before I lose them to my tower when I'm in an unfavorable position and pushed hard. What I normally do is that I each time I land an E I get a few auto attacks as well - I willingly take dmg from his Q. But most vlads don't/can't spam Qs on your for every combo that they take as they will suffer from it. Your EQ combo hits Vlad (anyone for that matter) really hard, even during early levels. And if you land some auto attacks as well it makes it worthwhile as you win the exchanges. I dont start Sapphire+pots, almost always I go boots. And yea you should level up Q>W. The combo dmg is quite insane. Just try that and you should beat him ezpz and then land some Ws especially when he is near your creeps for some REAL damage. And if he uses his Q on a creep for csing - just deny the fuck outta him. Swain used to rape prenerf Hextech Vlad. | ||
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Southlight
United States11761 Posts
Follow that up with a post-6 infinite sustain that trumps even that of Vlad and as long as you do footsies correctly you can usually just keep rolling. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok, I know I'm real late to the party (and the /popcorn was delicious, so thank you for the last few pages) but no one ever mentioned a Xin Zhao going against Swain top lane. Uta mentioned Swain shitting on all bruisers with sustain including Irelia and at least staying on par with ww/Udyr but in my low-elo (yes I mentioned it so people know I'm bad before I express my opinion, sigh) brain, wouldn't Xin have an early sustain as well as damage exchange advantage? Not only does he have a great gap/closer but at level 3 his combo is brutal and not to mention FAST. ??? Torment does more damage than Audacious Charge. Full Decrepify does more damage than Three Talon Strike. Torment damage amp, plus Xin getting creep aggro when going in closes the gap between their natural AD. Xin should not get additional autoattacks beyond that because of how the Audacious Charge slow is shorter than Decrepify. On September 01 2011 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote: If the Swain did not immediately drop a W to get away then he eats a full 3-talon strike and will eventually lose the lane due to Xin's superior sustain pre-6, no? "Immediately" or "in the time it takes Xin to make 3 autoattacks"? Cuz the second is WAY longer than the first. Xin probably has an even worse time against Swain than a lot of the aforementioned bruisers (Warwick, Udyr, Garen, etc.). On September 01 2011 04:48 SHr3DD3r wrote: What I normally do is that I each time I land an E I get a few auto attacks as well - I willingly take dmg from his Q. But most vlads don't/can't spam Qs on your for every combo that they take as they will suffer from it. Your EQ combo hits Vlad (anyone for that matter) really hard, even during early levels. And if you land some auto attacks as well it makes it worthwhile as you win the exchanges. I dont start Sapphire+pots, almost always I go boots. And yea you should level up Q>W. The combo dmg is quite insane. Just try that and you should beat him ezpz and then land some Ws especially when he is near your creeps for some REAL damage. And if he uses his Q on a creep for csing - just deny the fuck outta him. Swain used to rape prenerf Hextech Vlad. Does laserbird stay tethered/continue to do damage even if Vlad uses W? | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On September 01 2011 01:12 NeoIllusions wrote: zalz, why you dodge my post for an entire page? More interested in your server and ingame name than the replies tbh. Good luck with that one. I recall someone earlier (possibly within this thread even) asking Zalz the same question on a different matter. First he dodged the question and then said it doesn't matter. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:50 BloodNinja wrote: Good luck with that one. I recall someone earlier (possibly within this thread even) asking Zalz the same question on a different matter. First he dodged the question and then said it doesn't matter. Well, he doesn't get a freebie anymore from me until he answers me who he is in game. | ||
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