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.[Patch 1.0.0.124: Talon] General Discussion - Page 87
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Craton
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Southlight
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HazMat
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
He can pretty much harass with Q forever in lane, and since the CD is so short he stacks the mana so fast. Plus he kinda needs a large mana pool. | ||
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Southlight
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
As for Ezreal, he needs to become as big as soon as possible in lane. That means doran's blade, early red buff, whatever is necessary for him to push people away from creeps because he needs that to do his complete-shutdown gimmick (poking down people who would lose if they faught him, but who will get Q'd to death if they try to stay too far away anyways). Things go out of hand for ezreal really fast when both sides get higher up in levels as the mages will stop caring about his autoattack pokes and just nuke him. | ||
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fasdaf
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:56 Southlight wrote: In fairness I don't think elo is particularly noteworthy for gauging skill levels, especially regarding different champions. Me saying shit about ranged AD heroes will get me ridiculed, and my elo is arguably still lower than it probably should because I'm a lazy bastard. On the one hand, that's true, but on the other hand I'll still trust a say 2k player on a champ they rarely play over a 1200/unranked player, even if they play it a lot. On September 01 2011 04:58 HazMat wrote: Just do it by highest Elo obtained so I can inflate my epeen. +2 elo with this method for me, aw yeah. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:58 Jaso wrote: Nobody thinks Manamune is good on Ezreal...? o.o That surprises me. He can pretty much harass with Q forever in lane, and since the CD is so short he stacks the mana so fast. Plus he kinda needs a large mana pool. Ezreal doesn't need it. You're only going to W for stacks in fights, rather than as a spammed damage spell, and you really need to hold E carefully, rather than really spamming it. Q spam is covered by runing for mana regen. The one thing that needs to be recognized is that Tear/Manamune is NOT a sustain item. The amount of regen it gives is quite low for the cost, and it's not cost-efficient if all you need is long-term sustain (if you need just the regen component, Philo Stone costs less, gives more regen, and also has hp5 and gold generation). What it's good for is for champs that have high short-term mana demand (e.g. Corki can spam out all his mana within a few seconds) and can make use of the increased max mana it gives. Long-term mana demands can be handled by runing for regen/buying more cost-effective regen items. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
Regarding this: On September 01 2011 04:19 HyperionDreamer wrote: Urgot and Yorick are two that I can think of right away, Lamia was going manamune on Urgot non-stop at the most recent IEM. Lokan, I was thinking about our Skarner build that we were working on a while ago - we were just going tear, but manamune would likely work real well, no? AA > Manamune on Skar I've stopped getting tear, actually, for the same reason I stopped getting it on Cassi. Chalice is just better unless your name is Urgot or Ryze. When I first looked at Skarner, I felt like he was the hardest carry in the game, but couldn't place exactly why I was so convinced of this for a loooong time. But now I know. It's his passive. Skarner's passive is the most broken OP piece of bullshit passive in the game, stronger than even Poppy's I think. It may or may not make up for the rest of his subpar kit, but taken alone it is absolutely incredible. The reason: Skarner's passive makes CDR, AP, and Attack Speed scale multiplicatively. Let me repeat that for emphasis. SKARNER'S PASSIVE MAKES CDR, AP, AND ATTACK SPEED SCALE MULTIPLICATIVELY. Simply put, you can cut your cooldowns in half with CDR, and then cut them in half AGAIN with attack speed. Except with the attack speed, there is practically no upper limit to how much you can reduce your cooldowns. So when you have 31% CDR, 82%aspd and 148AP from masteries, Nashor's Tooth, and GRB, in a teamfight you can have your shield permenently up, refreshing something like every 3 seconds, Q about once per second, and E about once every 4 seconds. Needless to say, I think Sheen is a red herring. The optimum build is something like: boots 1 Chalice Nashor's GRB Zerks/Mercs/Swifts SV Wit's End/Bloodrazor, depending on the aspd cap, I'm not sure how many items it takes to max it out. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:50 BloodNinja wrote: Good luck with that one. I recall someone earlier (possibly within this thread even) asking Zalz the same question on a different matter. First he dodged the question and then said it doesn't matter. Well i am never one to turn down some ingame harassement so for your viewing pleasure: EU West: Zalz ELO 1400 (1625 highest) I haven't played a ranked in ages but before i stopped 1625 meant i was rank 200ish. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2011 05:04 Odds wrote: I've stopped getting tear, actually, for the same reason I stopped getting it on Cassi. Chalice is just better unless your name is Urgot or Ryze. Chalice and Tear don't accomplish the same thing IMO. Chalice is primarily a regen/sustain item, while Tear is a max mana buffer item. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:58 Jaso wrote: Nobody thinks Manamune is good on Ezreal...? o.o That surprises me. He can pretty much harass with Q forever in lane, and since the CD is so short he stacks the mana so fast. Plus he kinda needs a large mana pool. sheen bruta all day errey day. by the time u have those items anyways, ur a bit too late for manamune. still tho, manamune ezreal isn't as bad of a noobtrap as manamune panth trololol | ||
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JackDino
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:50 TheYango wrote: Does laserbird stay tethered/continue to do damage even if Vlad uses W? Yes. Only range breaks the tether. Vlad W still allows Vlad to be affected by DoTs like Ignite. The Laser Bird is just an animation. It counts as a DoT for the purpose of mechanics. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On September 01 2011 05:09 TheYango wrote: Chalice and Tear don't accomplish the same thing IMO. Chalice is primarily a regen/sustain item, while Tear is a max mana buffer item. yea if you actually look at it, tear doesnt actually offer you more regen than a meki pendant. so its in this weird niche that you want a char with some spaminess but the spell you are spamming needs to have pretty low costs. also paying a bunch for just mana pool is kinda meh... | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
di run out of manas so fast!!! | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 01 2011 05:36 Tooplark wrote: Butbut pantseon so much mana is use, i canst all my spell an di run out of manas so fast!!! But how to volley spam without my mana regen yellows and Manamune? Took me 10 minutes to explain to my brother the other day why you don't get Manamune on Ashe....sigh | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On September 01 2011 05:09 zalz wrote: Well i am never one to turn down some ingame harassement so for your viewing pleasure: EU West: Zalz ELO 1400 (1625 highest) I haven't played a ranked in ages but before i stopped 1625 meant i was rank 200ish. even shikyo had like 1440 and hes from Finland and on EU the only good players are over 2k elo, and even then they are a very small minority show some goddamn humility | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
(legit i remember ppl in the official forums when I first started saying cata first ashe was the best thing since sliced bread) | ||
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