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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
September 13 2011 20:48 GMT
#4561
Wow, first game with Karma.
I was kinda sad at the beginning 'cause I has no runes yet. but once I got some Ap (Large Rod) her Q hits really hard, and her shield is great. I just messes up a bit with R but anyway. Raped MF 1v1, and killed Xin who tried to gank me.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 20:54:15
September 13 2011 20:51 GMT
#4562
Using only the information Nikon provided, I still say that AP Ashe made the worse choice. In a team game, I'm not going to get mad at someone who is simply bad at this game. Everyone has their off days, and makes bad plays. Maybe Nidalee misjudged how far she could extend split-pushing before getting converged upon by 5 people while the rest of her team didn't press another lane. So long as her item build and playstyle made sense and she was actively trying, I won't scapegoat her. Even if, for instance, she gets caught and lets the other team baron, I will still acknowledge she tried.

AP Ashe, however, is an active form of divergence from what is considered the right way to play Ashe. It's not necessarily that you're bad or having an off day. You're actively making the choice to do something that's detrimental to your team. AP Ashe isn't even close to the recommended items for Ashe so that's not an excuse either.

This is still a relatively pointless question without sufficient context. I assume that what Nikon is trying to do is see what TL's views are about team-play and how teams appropriate blame.

On September 14 2011 05:48 -Zoda- wrote:
Wow, first game with Karma.
I was kinda sad at the beginning 'cause I has no runes yet. but once I got some Ap (Large Rod) her Q hits really hard, and her shield is great. I just messes up a bit with R but anyway. Raped MF 1v1, and killed Xin who tried to gank me.

Not a bad time to start. I heard Design is having a look at her power curve. Mantra-Spirit Bond right now doesn't feel right afaik. Don't think they want to push her down the bot lane support route since she's not a sustain-y heal character and they like shields.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 13 2011 20:53 GMT
#4563
I hope they won't delay patch by another day
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 13 2011 20:56 GMT
#4564
It's delayed for 24 hours only, so it's incoming tommorow ;-)
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Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
September 13 2011 20:58 GMT
#4565
On September 14 2011 05:56 EatMySpell wrote:
It's delayed for 24 hours only, so it's incoming tommorow ;-)



Unless tomorrow they delay it for 24 more hours to provide the best possible gaming experience for Riot customers.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 13 2011 21:04 GMT
#4566
On September 14 2011 05:51 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 05:48 -Zoda- wrote:
Wow, first game with Karma.
I was kinda sad at the beginning 'cause I has no runes yet. but once I got some Ap (Large Rod) her Q hits really hard, and her shield is great. I just messes up a bit with R but anyway. Raped MF 1v1, and killed Xin who tried to gank me.

Not a bad time to start. I heard Design is having a look at her power curve. Mantra-Spirit Bond right now doesn't feel right afaik. Don't think they want to push her down the bot lane support route since she's not a sustain-y heal character and they like shields.

Just pass my suggestion on:

Karma creates a beam between an ally or enemy for up to 5 seconds. Allied anchors move (10/12/14/16/18/20)% faster and enemy anchors are slowed by (10/12/14/16/18/20)%. The beam deals (80/125/170/215/260/305) (+(0.7 per ability power point)) magic damage to enemies and applies the same movement speed adjustment anchors receive to any champion it passes through.

The beam breaks if the bonded target is stealthed.

Mantra Bonus: Karma strengthens the bond such that allied anchors are healed for (80/125/170/215/260/305) (+(0.7 per ability power point)) and enemy anchors are dealt (80/125/170/215/260/305) (+(0.7 per ability power point)) magic damage. The effect of the movement speed modifier is also doubled.

You could also make the mantra'd heal/damage apply over the 5 second duration if you're worried about it being too strong in terms of her bursting potential.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 13 2011 21:16 GMT
#4567
I dont like the idea of bond being a heal with mantra, simply because that would be a super escape in a laning gank if you are playing bot lane support. It definitely should hurt the enemy anchor though.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 13 2011 21:19 GMT
#4568
I think it would feel very odd for it to damage enemies without providing some extra benefit to allies. Just doesn't feel right to me I guess, though it doesn't really matter I suppose.
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 21:21:17
September 13 2011 21:19 GMT
#4569
To be honest, adding more context to the poll would make it somewhat pointless.+ Show Spoiler +
We only had like three teamfights where we had all 5 the whole game.Other team was almost always together, so yeah.
I'm asking since people in the game were throwing blame around between Ashe and Nidalee. Wanted to see want the public opinion here would be.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 13 2011 21:19 GMT
#4570
On September 14 2011 05:56 EatMySpell wrote:
It's delayed for 24 hours only, so it's incoming tommorow ;-)

Again? I hope you mean this post from ~16 hours ago?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
September 13 2011 21:26 GMT
#4571
On September 14 2011 06:19 Nikon wrote:
To be honest, adding more context to the poll would make it somewhat pointless.+ Show Spoiler +
We only had like three teamfights where we had all 5 the whole game.Other team was almost always together, so yeah.
I'm asking since people in the game were throwing blame around between Ashe and Nidalee. Wanted to see want the public opinion here would be.

Both.
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chubbly
Profile Joined March 2011
New Zealand58 Posts
September 13 2011 21:28 GMT
#4572
On September 14 2011 06:19 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 05:56 EatMySpell wrote:
It's delayed for 24 hours only, so it's incoming tommorow ;-)

Again? I hope you mean this post from ~16 hours ago?


MOON BEAR. What does it all mean? I presume that means the patch will be today, right in the prime-time for us NZers who always get screwed on patch days.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 13 2011 21:34 GMT
#4573
On September 14 2011 06:19 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 05:56 EatMySpell wrote:
It's delayed for 24 hours only, so it's incoming tommorow ;-)

Again? I hope you mean this post from ~16 hours ago?

Yeah exactly, so the EU's gonna get it tommorow I believe.
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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 21:40:23
September 13 2011 21:36 GMT
#4574
On September 14 2011 06:19 Mogwai wrote:
I think it would feel very odd for it to damage enemies without providing some extra benefit to allies. Just doesn't feel right to me I guess, though it doesn't really matter I suppose.

Smash, that spell you posted above would be so hella OP I don't even know how to describe it. Karma would win every lane in existence if that took effect - self heal, enemy damage, huge slow percentage. You wouldn't even need to open boots in a lane, just get 3 DRings before boots, always heal/damage/push never die.

From one Karma player to another - I hope they buff her, but I also hope they don't make her so hella op that she is banned in every game until re-nerf. Your spell would be the latter

Edit: I think precisely the reason Karma's W doesn't do damage to the leashed target is because of its crazy long range. If they added direct damage to it, then that spell would become the most incredibly overpowered thing since pre-nerf Xin. If they're going to add a damaging element and/or a heal to the leashed target, they'll at least need to cut the range down to a level on par with, say, Brand's E.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 21:38:05
September 13 2011 21:37 GMT
#4575
On September 14 2011 06:34 EatMySpell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 06:19 Kaniol wrote:
On September 14 2011 05:56 EatMySpell wrote:
It's delayed for 24 hours only, so it's incoming tommorow ;-)

Again? I hope you mean this post from ~16 hours ago?

Yeah exactly, so the EU's gonna get it tommorow I believe.

I play on both servers luckily ) And actually i don't care about the patch as much as about patch notes, lol. So i'll just go sleep soon, wake up and PN will be probably up

On September 14 2011 06:19 Nikon wrote:
To be honest, adding more context to the poll would make it somewhat pointless.+ Show Spoiler +
We only had like three teamfights where we had all 5 the whole game.Other team was almost always together, so yeah.
I'm asking since people in the game were throwing blame around between Ashe and Nidalee. Wanted to see want the public opinion here would be.

I'd answer with everyone, since my favorite quote from TL is "carry harder"
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
September 13 2011 21:52 GMT
#4576
in a vacuum, ap ashe, because that is an active decision to be a detriment to the team. but again, there really isn't enough information. did they ignore pings? did they actively ignore the team/teamfights?
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 13 2011 22:02 GMT
#4577
On September 14 2011 05:45 Sponge75 wrote:
What do as jungle GP if they steal your wraiths (assuming i'm starting vamp)

grow balls and steal theirs!
(idk i dont jungle often)
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
September 13 2011 22:07 GMT
#4578
Is that Neo I see on Guardsman Bob's stream? Game doesn't seem that close.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
September 13 2011 22:09 GMT
#4579
On September 14 2011 06:19 Nikon wrote:
To be honest, adding more context to the poll would make it somewhat pointless.+ Show Spoiler +
We only had like three teamfights where we had all 5 the whole game.Other team was almost always together, so yeah.
I'm asking since people in the game were throwing blame around between Ashe and Nidalee. Wanted to see want the public opinion here would be.


I never understood the point of blaming people for shit in LoL. If that was a Normal game then who really cares? If it's a ranked game then I hope someone reported Ashe for obviously not trying.

It's very possible the Nid just had an off game or doesn't play a lot of Nid. Ashe was just trying to troll people imo.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 13 2011 22:10 GMT
#4580
On September 14 2011 06:36 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 06:19 Mogwai wrote:
I think it would feel very odd for it to damage enemies without providing some extra benefit to allies. Just doesn't feel right to me I guess, though it doesn't really matter I suppose.

Smash, that spell you posted above would be so hella OP I don't even know how to describe it. Karma would win every lane in existence if that took effect - self heal, enemy damage, huge slow percentage. You wouldn't even need to open boots in a lane, just get 3 DRings before boots, always heal/damage/push never die.

From one Karma player to another - I hope they buff her, but I also hope they don't make her so hella op that she is banned in every game until re-nerf. Your spell would be the latter

Edit: I think precisely the reason Karma's W doesn't do damage to the leashed target is because of its crazy long range. If they added direct damage to it, then that spell would become the most incredibly overpowered thing since pre-nerf Xin. If they're going to add a damaging element and/or a heal to the leashed target, they'll at least need to cut the range down to a level on par with, say, Brand's E.

err, sorry, didn't mean to imply it would heal herself, that would be too strong for sure.
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