EPTit's already unbeatable as a setup, we all know it, and consequence of a mirror matchup is pretty much just last hitting... so it would... make things more like how they are?
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
it's already unbeatable as a setup, we all know it, and consequence of a mirror matchup is pretty much just last hitting... so it would... make things more like how they are? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:16 freelander wrote: she doesnt even have silence at lvl 1 l0l She has the spell, seal, silence, you catch my drift. I was leveling W but with the range of her teleport, even with W active I was force to fall back when she was moving toward me. Thing is, with just 2 spells she was doing 50% of my HPs, so I couldn't really stay right under her nose... | ||
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UniversalSnip
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:36 UniversalSnip wrote: Try leveling E, you can clear ranged creeps with it + an R shot as i recall You need around 30-45 AP for that, and what are you going to do before you hit 6? On August 17 2011 04:42 barbsq wrote: uh, there really is no way for kog to win vs leblanc, my recommendation is to just play him in either a duo lane (if you're running dps) or swap with top. Having pretty extensive experience with both champs, i'm quite sure lb will zone kog past lvl 2 regardless of what you do, unless you run like all mres and hp runes +21def masteries Against LB the only chance I see is to max W asap, run a shitton of MR from runes and masteries. Try to E her right as she teleports to you so that she will get slowed when she teleports back. Also turn W on before you get silenced. Tank her burst and just autoattack her. You will probably both get really low, and you need to heal up immediately or else you die to her next round of spells. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
have to kite with w or dont play kog | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
edit: and to reiterate kog's lack of range on autos, at lvl 5, when you's have level 3 w, its still 690, less than lb q edit2: you may sorta-kinda have a chance if you run ap kog and just goop from 1k range, but the cd on that isnt very low, and you'll burn mana like a mother | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On August 17 2011 00:52 Two_DoWn wrote: Thats fine. What really needs to happen is a cut in minion damage and a reduction in the punishments to dying. Something like getting a free speed boost upon spawn to get you back to lane, and maybe even cutting the rewards for kills by like 50. That way you receive less punishment for dying, and its possible to be much more aggressive. I may be late to the discussion but this is the same philosophy that Riot supports and it's really quite bad. There are 2 things that happen 1 player kills another (assuming 1v1 lane): killer gets reward (gold), killed person gets no farm for the time of being dead. Lowering the gold reward lessens the reward for agressive play = makes safe play more optimal. 300 gold is +- 20 cs, while it IS a boost, it isn't (IMO) enough to support ganking. So if you go to gank you lose 1-3 waves of creeps in exchange for a CHANCE of getting 4 waves worth of gold. So then only 1 motivation remains - "denying" farm to your opponent (Riot of course nerfed this "reward" as well by reducing respawn timers). While it is important, because weak enemy won't interrupt your farm you can't afford to be agressive to the point where it hurts your farm - because what matters (IMO) in solo queue is not your lane partner being weak but you being strong and carrying. I'd REALLY want to know how the game would have changed if Riot made changes in the exact opposite direction - increasing rewards to something like 500 gold/kill. Of course this change would be too gamebreaking to implement but if they made new game mode (or even option in customs) which would increase gold reward per kills it could be interresting (though i guess at the same time it would support snowballing which used to be one of Riot's biggest concerns - it seems to be hard to balance kills being rewarding vs snowballing, though i think the issue should lie in balancing farm gold vs kill gold). IMOIMOIMO | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 17 2011 06:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: How do you convince your captain to ban udyr at 1300 elo? You don't. You pick Garen and shit on Udyr in lane. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
We are reverting the wish nerf to base values and increasing some of Soraka's base stats. We believe that the base heal nerf is unnecessary after observing playtests. If she actually gets changed to be not be bottom 5 squishy, she could totally work as an aggressive support role. Seems like the changes to Taric, Sona, Alistar and Janna are going to be much less severe, too. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Do we have someone who is willing to OP and update threads for Gamescon and MLG Raleigh? I'm not able to going to be able to watch the streams live, so it's not ideal for me to create these threads. There's not much expectation in the sense of format. Just have it fairly straight forward, updated with results within the hour, and spoiler the results. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255678 Gamescon thread for SC2. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On August 17 2011 06:39 Niton wrote: Soraka news: If she actually gets changed to be not be bottom 5 squishy, she could totally work as an aggressive support role. Seems like the changes to Taric, Sona, Alistar and Janna are going to be much less severe, too. Riot made a post about possibly increasing her base health and hp/lvl. Glad they are reverting some of the changes, and some people thought the changes were perfectly fine rofl. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
If you have spare time enjoy watching him go 10/0 | ||
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50caliber
United States32 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:41 Kaniol wrote: Watching Dan Dinh's stream makes me happy that i'm not high Elo player - i don't have to vs LoCi's Morgana. He is soooo scary at this underplayed champ. If you have spare time enjoy watching him go 10/0 morgana gonna become fotm in a week or two calling it now basically everything swain wants to be but better and nerfing soraka base heals is retarded without giving her some GOOD damage or suvivability (.5 sec cooldown reduction on a skill that puts you in danger to be instagibbed wtf?) | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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50caliber
United States32 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:46 Southlight wrote: Swain is everything that he wants to be and is better at it than Morgana by far, that's a pretty weak comparison. In my humble opinion morgana damage more bursty + better cc with a little bit less survivability | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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