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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 16:52:51
August 16 2011 16:50 GMT
#1181
Most memorable HoG for me was l0cust' Grag sitting on like 30 cs but 3 HoG with Oracle and making fun of us by sitting at dragon on top of our ward baiting us to do something about it. zzzzzzzzz

Edit:
For about 30 damn seconds too!
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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
August 16 2011 16:52 GMT
#1182
On August 17 2011 01:13 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 01:07 HyperionDreamer wrote:
It sounds like your problem is with Soraka in general, and I agree that her infinite mana regen is kind of broken. I still don't necessarily have an issue with the not-balanced setup of one person who is essentially exposed to solo lane levels of cs while the other player is not taking any, as long as the one person who's not getting the cs isn't functioning just as well without it. I feel like certain supports (taric + soraka) don't actually need that cs to fulfill their only useful role; Soraka healing while buffing armor, and Taric stunning.

I'm completely in favour of the Soraka nerf, but the general metagame of unequally distributing the cs on bottom lane I'm completely in favour of. It's just the most efficient way to play.


Soraka's the most blatant but the other support heroes also have balance issues. Janna + Panth played well will almost always crush double nuke, for instance, because Janna doubles as a nuker + damage mitigator, which is insane. It's the same issue with Taric, who's more-or-less a ranged stun + nuke but adds healing on top to become simply "a better Leona."

But Janna doesn't really give the insane sustain that Soraka does. Yeah, her shield synergizes really well with ranged damage carries, but she's got no flat heal that can keep you in lane forever.

Taric is about equivalent with Leona IMO, since he has a much better early game (healing in lane plus ranged stun that doesn't put him directly in harms way), but Leona catches up in the late game when she can get a few items.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 16 2011 16:53 GMT
#1183
Leona never catches up to Taric; AP Taric is absurd in terms of damage output and heal.

Janna's sustain isn't as good as Soraka's, but no one's is. Janna has incredible lane control and as long as she plays well and pulls creep damage to her prior to her carry kicking in with their damage, she mitigates a hell of a lot of damage and keeps up aggressive sustain.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 16 2011 17:06 GMT
#1184
Hey, look at that, LoL and DotA2 have subforums listed on the left now. Hi5! o/
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0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
August 16 2011 17:09 GMT
#1185
On August 17 2011 02:06 Mogwai wrote:
Hey, look at that, LoL and DotA2 have subforums listed on the left now. Hi5! o/


Wow... You are late to the party
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 16 2011 17:12 GMT
#1186
On August 17 2011 02:09 0123456789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 02:06 Mogwai wrote:
Hey, look at that, LoL and DotA2 have subforums listed on the left now. Hi5! o/


Wow... You are late to the party


Smash is always late because he has to channel mandrop first.
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Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
August 16 2011 18:30 GMT
#1187
shushei is playing leona with just triforce right now. is this the new way to do it?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 16 2011 18:53 GMT
#1188
You know what I would like to see? A doran's item that caters specifically to melee heroes. That way they wouldn't need grossly op sustain to stay in lane.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 16 2011 18:54 GMT
#1189
On August 17 2011 02:12 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 02:09 0123456789 wrote:
On August 17 2011 02:06 Mogwai wrote:
Hey, look at that, LoL and DotA2 have subforums listed on the left now. Hi5! o/


Wow... You are late to the party


Smash is always late because he has to channel mandrop first.


Mandrop channel time was reduced by a lot last patch. No excuse
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 16 2011 18:59 GMT
#1190
Is it me or is Kog'Maw just totally helpless against LeBlanc midlane? I got totally denied, she hit for 150+ damage from level 1 onward with just her silence, and Kog doesn't have the range to deal with her. She just have to move to force you to go back, and even when you use your Z to last hit she can deny you if she comes closer when you try, just because she can burst you for 50%+ of your life ezpz. I was at like 20cs, 1 death, and 3 backs 11 minutes into the game... I feel like he's just too squishy/slow to lane against her.
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TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 19:07:28
August 16 2011 19:07 GMT
#1191
On August 17 2011 03:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
You know what I would like to see? A doran's item that caters specifically to melee heroes. That way they wouldn't need grossly op sustain to stay in lane.


That's fine and dandy, but try pitching an idea that doesn't benefit ranged more.

Melee only and "unique" attribute are both cheating.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 16 2011 19:09 GMT
#1192
On August 17 2011 03:59 Alaric wrote:
Is it me or is Kog'Maw just totally helpless against LeBlanc midlane? I got totally denied, she hit for 150+ damage from level 1 onward with just her silence, and Kog doesn't have the range to deal with her. She just have to move to force you to go back, and even when you use your Z to last hit she can deny you if she comes closer when you try, just because she can burst you for 50%+ of your life ezpz. I was at like 20cs, 1 death, and 3 backs 11 minutes into the game... I feel like he's just too squishy/slow to lane against her.

How does Kogmaw not have the range.... are you not leveling W?
That said, Leblanc's early game burst is insane. Your best bet is to farm max range and harass when her Q is on cd. If she does her Q W combo on you, you should be able to get a lot of hits on her with W.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 19:13:02
August 16 2011 19:12 GMT
#1193
Some of you guys seem kinda surprised about the Soraka nerf. I mean, it's as if no one said it was going to happen.

On June 25 2011 11:08 MoonBear wrote:
Future Update Stuff (No ETA)
  • [...]
  • Soraka Changes: No more/much lower AP scaling on heals. Longer CD and mana cost as well. Needs to feel more clutch. Might have higher base values. More reliable CC, no more infinite mana.
  • [...]


:3

Although I am kinda sad I can't just random heal nubs in solo queue and keep idiots from dying in my duo lane. *sigh* Why is it that my team never knows what HPots are and insist on staying in lane at 50 hp even though they know as soon as the other person comes back they're going to die?

On August 17 2011 03:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
You know what I would like to see? A doran's item that caters specifically to melee heroes. That way they wouldn't need grossly op sustain to stay in lane.

DShield isn't bad. xPeke even ran it on Kass against Anivia in the game against TL EU in the Go4Lol.

Time to learn Janna. I tried before and it felt so hard since most duo lane idiots at my level like to eat harass all day. Maybe I should stop playing support and gain Elo first. Hm.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 16 2011 19:12 GMT
#1194
Dorans boots: 120 health, reduces incoming minion damage by 50%, movespeed 1.
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Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
August 16 2011 19:13 GMT
#1195
On August 17 2011 03:30 Attakijing wrote:
shushei is playing leona with just triforce right now. is this the new way to do it?



Isn't getting just triforce on every non-ap champion the way to do it.

If you aren't AP, get triforce, go tanky. win games.

GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
August 16 2011 19:14 GMT
#1196
Doran's Knuckle
+120 HP
+8% lifesteal melee +3% lifesteal range(Mallet/Phage already does the melee/range distinction)
+8 HP/sec
50caliber
Profile Joined July 2011
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 19:16:18
August 16 2011 19:15 GMT
#1197
Why don't they just turn all heals into shields or something? ofc the process will be more complicated but what's up with this major nerfs just to transition away from heals?

tl;dr mad becuz 500 ap sona/soraka healspam is too fun
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
August 16 2011 19:16 GMT
#1198
On August 17 2011 03:59 Alaric wrote:
Is it me or is Kog'Maw just totally helpless against LeBlanc midlane? I got totally denied, she hit for 150+ damage from level 1 onward with just her silence, and Kog doesn't have the range to deal with her. She just have to move to force you to go back, and even when you use your Z to last hit she can deny you if she comes closer when you try, just because she can burst you for 50%+ of your life ezpz. I was at like 20cs, 1 death, and 3 backs 11 minutes into the game... I feel like he's just too squishy/slow to lane against her.


she doesnt even have silence at lvl 1 l0l
And all is illuminated.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 16 2011 19:31 GMT
#1199
On August 17 2011 04:07 TL Blazeraid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 03:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
You know what I would like to see? A doran's item that caters specifically to melee heroes. That way they wouldn't need grossly op sustain to stay in lane.


That's fine and dandy, but try pitching an idea that doesn't benefit ranged more.

Melee only and "unique" attribute are both cheating.


Those aren't cheating at all, but how about

- Gives you a small shield every time you last hit a minion
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 16 2011 19:33 GMT
#1200
Thanks for making bot lane ranged DPS even more retarded @ that idea -_-
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