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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
August 08 2011 19:46 GMT
#1581
its all about coming out of the jungle with your deathcap
Brees on in
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
August 08 2011 19:48 GMT
#1582
Are there any actual patch notes out yet for the patch tomorrow? (is it even tomorrow? o.O)
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 08 2011 19:54 GMT
#1583
I only say the slow is wasted because you aren't there to chase people. I suppose it gives the people you're protecting a very minor sort of peel.

What makes you take a sunfire cape over a randuins?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 08 2011 19:54 GMT
#1584
On August 09 2011 04:35 Mogwai wrote:
I mean, if I wanted to gank at level 2, I'd go noct, xin, or jarman.

Nocturne?

First you have to land Q. Then you have to chase them to get in E range. Then you have to wait for the fear to apply. Then, hopefully they're not under tower and you can hit them.

Wouldn't even Olaf be better for a level 2 gank than that, seeing as if you land his Q, you at least get the CC right away?
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 08 2011 19:58 GMT
#1585
On August 09 2011 04:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I only say the slow is wasted because you aren't there to chase people. I suppose it gives the people you're protecting a very minor sort of peel.

What makes you take a sunfire cape over a randuins?

After the R and possibly a Q, Amumu can't protect anyone. Nobody's going to hit him when he's sitting near his carry either, so he doesn't deal damage with E. You're better off throwing the Q on the enemy ranged DPS once you ulted and chase him down. That forces the enemy to attack you which increases your DPS.

Janna is the only tank in this game. Always remember that.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 08 2011 20:07 GMT
#1586
On August 09 2011 04:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 04:35 Mogwai wrote:
I mean, if I wanted to gank at level 2, I'd go noct, xin, or jarman.

Nocturne?

First you have to land Q. Then you have to chase them to get in E range. Then you have to wait for the fear to apply. Then, hopefully they're not under tower and you can hit them.

Wouldn't even Olaf be better for a level 2 gank than that, seeing as if you land his Q, you at least get the CC right away?

what? Noct's level 2 damage is crazy with Q and if he hits Q, he forces a summoner at least to escape the E under most circumstances.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 08 2011 20:08 GMT
#1587
rylai really good on mumu tbh
i either get deathcap after aegis or abyssal+rylai
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 08 2011 20:09 GMT
#1588
On August 09 2011 04:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I only say the slow is wasted because you aren't there to chase people. I suppose it gives the people you're protecting a very minor sort of peel.

What makes you take a sunfire cape over a randuins?

because I have an irrational hatred of Randuins and I like doing damage. I also chase people because, well, Amumu does good damage and as you said, can't peel for shit, so why exactly do you think you should be peeling again and use that as anti-Rylai's slow ammo?.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 08 2011 20:12 GMT
#1589
I guess I just play mumu wrong. I just cry on people trying to bash my carries face in ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
August 08 2011 20:18 GMT
#1590
On August 09 2011 00:36 Mogwai wrote:
taric + sona is the best bot lane IMHO. double double heals, herpdederp, farm up dem aura items -> win game. totally imba.

nuuu you've revealed our secret!
You can't milk those!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 08 2011 20:22 GMT
#1591
On August 09 2011 05:09 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 04:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I only say the slow is wasted because you aren't there to chase people. I suppose it gives the people you're protecting a very minor sort of peel.

What makes you take a sunfire cape over a randuins?

because I have an irrational hatred of Randuins and I like doing damage. I also chase people because, well, Amumu does good damage and as you said, can't peel for shit, so why exactly do you think you should be peeling again and use that as anti-Rylai's slow ammo?.

Good to know im not the only one who despises randuins.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#1592
On August 09 2011 05:07 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 04:54 TheYango wrote:
On August 09 2011 04:35 Mogwai wrote:
I mean, if I wanted to gank at level 2, I'd go noct, xin, or jarman.

Nocturne?

First you have to land Q. Then you have to chase them to get in E range. Then you have to wait for the fear to apply. Then, hopefully they're not under tower and you can hit them.

Wouldn't even Olaf be better for a level 2 gank than that, seeing as if you land his Q, you at least get the CC right away?

what? Noct's level 2 damage is crazy with Q and if he hits Q, he forces a summoner at least to escape the E under most circumstances.

His Q does less damage than Olaf's at level 2, his +AD is about the same as Olaf's W, and a 2.5 second slow that leads into 1-2 more 2.5 second slows seems stronger than a very delayed 1 second fear.

I don't see how Nocturne's level 2 gank is in any way better than Olaf's, and Olaf's is already unreliable with the need to land an axe
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
August 08 2011 20:32 GMT
#1593
But last I checked, Olaf is bad T_T
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 20:39:01
August 08 2011 20:35 GMT
#1594
Taric Brand vs Corki Alistar on Dan Dinh stream now, Brand got fb I think (I was only half watching there).

5 minutes into the game, Alistar is calling for help.
Alistar dies right after.
@ 7 min: Corki dies.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
August 08 2011 20:36 GMT
#1595
On August 09 2011 05:32 Juicyfruit wrote:
But last I checked, Olaf is bad T_T

hextech olaf is pro, suicide all game until its time to steal baron, win the game
You can't milk those!
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 20:41:25
August 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#1596
On August 09 2011 05:35 spinesheath wrote:
Taric Brand vs Corki Alistar on Dan Dinh stream now, Brand got fb I think (I was only half watching there).

5 minutes into the game, Alistar is calling for help.
Alistar dies right after.


Yeah I don't get people who make really really shitty picks when it's THEIR CHOICE and then beg for help.

Not that I think this particular lane is unplayable for Cow + Corki; they probably just played it really bad.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 08 2011 20:46 GMT
#1597
olaf does 80 (+0.5 per bonus AD) with Q and gets +13 (+1% bonus HP) AD from W with a 24% slow off of a 1000 range Q. He also gets, let's say, I dunno, 30-50% increased AS from his passive (any more and it's starting to sound really dangerous to gank).

nocturne gets 60 (+0.75 per bonus AD) with Q, gets +15 AD from Q, gets 50 damage from E, a 1 second fear from E, 120% AD as AoE on his first attack from his passive, and 15% Movespeed from Q off of a 1200 range Q.

not to mention I find nocturne's Q easier to hit (seems like a noticeably faster missile speed and wider projectile). So I don't see how you can seriously say that you see no ways in which nocturne's level 2 gank is better than Olaf's.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 21:01:32
August 08 2011 21:01 GMT
#1598
oh yeah! everyone on my team has smite. autowin inc
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 08 2011 21:02 GMT
#1599
On August 09 2011 05:46 Mogwai wrote:
olaf does 80 (+0.5 per bonus AD) with Q and gets +13 (+1% bonus HP) AD from W with a 24% slow off of a 1000 range Q. He also gets, let's say, I dunno, 30-50% increased AS from his passive (any more and it's starting to sound really dangerous to gank).

nocturne gets 60 (+0.75 per bonus AD) with Q, gets +15 AD from Q, gets 50 damage from E, a 1 second fear from E, 120% AD as AoE on his first attack from his passive, and 15% Movespeed from Q off of a 1200 range Q.

not to mention I find nocturne's Q easier to hit (seems like a noticeably faster missile speed and wider projectile). So I don't see how you can seriously say that you see no ways in which nocturne's level 2 gank is better than Olaf's.

I highly doubt the 200 extra range will be relevant vs a freely moving target. And hitting the 1st Olaf Q makes hitting the 2nd one extremely likely unless they blow an escape.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 08 2011 21:04 GMT
#1600
Taric/MF bottom (in the opposing team), since you were discussing it. MF just got first blood on Caitlyn and Galio had to use his flash, though Cait got MF at the same time.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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