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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
April 30 2011 05:37 GMT
#1701
The big difference is that in a DotA 2v1 lane, the duo will usually hit level 6 before the solo (with at least 50 more CS), whereas in LoL the solo will usually hit level 6 before the duo (with probably more CS than the average of the opponents). Assuming no interruptions of course which would be extremely rare in DotA as that is a terrible scenario.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
May 01 2011 18:06 GMT
#1702
Shurelia's blog is back up after being down for like 2 months:
http://shurelia.com/

She discusses a Kayle remake she's working on in her latest post.
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 18:11:18
May 01 2011 18:11 GMT
#1703
I hate Kayle btw.

Every single time I normal queue with poppy I get kayle on the enemy team. What is this shit?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 01 2011 18:27 GMT
#1704
Btw, Master Yi with Morgana, Kayle, Nidalee and Nunu is nice. Yi goes for 3 thirsters, LW, IE, and nidalee and nunu buff him, morgana shields him and Kayle ultis him soon after.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 01 2011 18:40 GMT
#1705
On May 02 2011 03:27 Shikyo wrote:
Btw, Master Yi with Morgana, Kayle, Nidalee and Nunu is nice. Yi goes for 3 thirsters, LW, IE, and nidalee and nunu buff him, morgana shields him and Kayle ultis him soon after.

hi, substitute yi for twitch and this is meta 5 months ago

please state your credentials for the benefit of people viewing, eu meta and skill level is radically different from us meta and skill level.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 01 2011 18:46 GMT
#1706
On May 02 2011 03:40 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 03:27 Shikyo wrote:
Btw, Master Yi with Morgana, Kayle, Nidalee and Nunu is nice. Yi goes for 3 thirsters, LW, IE, and nidalee and nunu buff him, morgana shields him and Kayle ultis him soon after.

hi, substitute yi for twitch and this is meta 5 months ago

please state your credentials for the benefit of people viewing, eu meta and skill level is radically different from us meta and skill level.

It was a joke, man. Why are you always so serious and uptight
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 01 2011 18:59 GMT
#1707
On May 02 2011 03:46 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 03:40 Caller wrote:
On May 02 2011 03:27 Shikyo wrote:
Btw, Master Yi with Morgana, Kayle, Nidalee and Nunu is nice. Yi goes for 3 thirsters, LW, IE, and nidalee and nunu buff him, morgana shields him and Kayle ultis him soon after.

hi, substitute yi for twitch and this is meta 5 months ago

please state your credentials for the benefit of people viewing, eu meta and skill level is radically different from us meta and skill level.

It was a joke, man. Why are you always so serious and uptight

because im a very serious person and this is a very serious game
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
May 01 2011 19:16 GMT
#1708
substitute Yi for Olaf and you don't need morgana anymore, get something like Shen.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 01 2011 19:41 GMT
#1709
On May 02 2011 04:16 IntoTheWow wrote:
substitute Yi for Olaf and you don't need morgana anymore, get something like Shen Zilean.

Fixed.

I can't support the notion that EU and US skill levels are vastly different. Unless you are talking about the top 100.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
May 01 2011 21:35 GMT
#1710
On May 02 2011 03:46 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 03:40 Caller wrote:
On May 02 2011 03:27 Shikyo wrote:
Btw, Master Yi with Morgana, Kayle, Nidalee and Nunu is nice. Yi goes for 3 thirsters, LW, IE, and nidalee and nunu buff him, morgana shields him and Kayle ultis him soon after.

hi, substitute yi for twitch and this is meta 5 months ago

please state your credentials for the benefit of people viewing, eu meta and skill level is radically different from us meta and skill level.

It was a joke, man. Why are you always so serious and uptight

You do realise that Caller is trolling you again, do you?
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
May 02 2011 01:34 GMT
#1711
On May 02 2011 03:46 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 03:40 Caller wrote:
On May 02 2011 03:27 Shikyo wrote:
Btw, Master Yi with Morgana, Kayle, Nidalee and Nunu is nice. Yi goes for 3 thirsters, LW, IE, and nidalee and nunu buff him, morgana shields him and Kayle ultis him soon after.

hi, substitute yi for twitch and this is meta 5 months ago

please state your credentials for the benefit of people viewing, eu meta and skill level is radically different from us meta and skill level.

It was a joke, man. Why are you always so serious and uptight


This statement, coming from Shikyo? Gold.
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
May 02 2011 01:44 GMT
#1712
On May 02 2011 03:40 Caller wrote:
please state your credentials for the benefit of people viewing, eu meta and skill level is radically different from us meta and skill level.

I didn't know ELO Police had jurisdiction in international territories. Imma need to see your badge bro
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
May 09 2011 05:12 GMT
#1713
Sae
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 05:22:10
May 09 2011 05:21 GMT
#1714
jarvan changes made me laugh, thats about it really
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 09 2011 05:29 GMT
#1715
1 second on karthus supposed to really matter?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
May 09 2011 05:56 GMT
#1716
YES, pirate got a boost in attack range, that's gonna help so much!
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 06:06:42
May 09 2011 06:04 GMT
#1717
Retarded patch through and through.

I'll wait to judge the new items.
Jarvan nerfs are okay, but laughable if they think it'll actually do anything.
Nocturne and Karthus nerf is meh.
Shen change is retarded. He's strong cause of his ult, not cause he "deals too much damage" without having to itemize.
Gangplank sucks. So they increase his range...yea...>.>
Sunfire cape nerf is retarded. The damage it dealt is negligible with any decent amount of mres unless they get it retardedly early in which case your team is probably feeding and will lose anyways.
Wit's End was just starting to see more play. It will now go back to being unused. 20 bonus magic resist after 5 hits? real

Riot is making more and more questionable changes...As soon as an item gets useful, they nerf it so it's useless. If a champ is OP, they make changes so that people will think they fixed the champ while it really does nothing. If a champ is useless, they make it more useless or make a change that does absolutely nothing.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 09 2011 06:19 GMT
#1718
Wit's End is still ridiculously strong on the right champs. 42 AD and 40% aspd alone costs ~2400 gold (based on Recurve and BF Sword), and the MR is worth about another 460 at 0 stacks (or about 800 at full stacks).

Wit's End in the preview vid was 2000 gold, and for that you get 42 damage on-hit, 40% aspd, and 30 to 50 MR. It's certainly true that the on-hit magic damage isn't worth as much as 42 AD would be (it doesn't scale with crit or make abilities scale), but for champs like Teemo or Kog'Maw or Trundle or Warwick where you don't particularly care that it's not actual AD you get it's crazily efficient.

It's no longer a good item for poking down mana pools, yes, but it's even better for champs who just bought the item for its stats before, because it's now cheaper and provides more stats.
We did. You did. Yes we can. No. || http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/crate.html || twitch.tv/crate3333
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 09 2011 06:28 GMT
#1719
On May 09 2011 15:19 crate wrote:
Wit's End is still ridiculously strong on the right champs. 42 AD and 40% aspd alone costs ~2400 gold (based on Recurve and BF Sword), and the MR is worth about another 460 at 0 stacks (or about 800 at full stacks).

Wit's End in the preview vid was 2000 gold, and for that you get 42 damage on-hit, 40% aspd, and 30 to 50 MR. It's certainly true that the on-hit magic damage isn't worth as much as 42 AD would be (it doesn't scale with crit or make abilities scale), but for champs like Teemo or Kog'Maw or Trundle or Warwick where you don't particularly care that it's not actual AD you get it's crazily efficient.

It's no longer a good item for poking down mana pools, yes, but it's even better for champs who just bought the item for its stats before, because it's now cheaper and provides more stats.

The issue is that Wit's End was taken mostly because of it's passive of making tanks more or less useless. If you want attack speed, malady is a more cost-efficient choice. The magic resist is pretty nice, but it's not worth spending that much gold on. Getting a BV or something would be a much better use of your gold and item slot. The 42 extra damage is magic damage, which means for most auto-attacking carries is pretty worthless. For champs like Teemo and Kog'Maw, you're much better off just getting malady.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 09 2011 06:52 GMT
#1720
On May 02 2011 10:44 mrgerry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 03:40 Caller wrote:
please state your credentials for the benefit of people viewing, eu meta and skill level is radically different from us meta and skill level.

I didn't know ELO Police had jurisdiction in international territories. Imma need to see your badge bro

you're retired bro you're just a private citizen now
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
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