[Discussion] Patch Notes - Page 81

On April 26 2011 23:39 57 Corvette wrote:
We need eitheer A. Better Galio skin or B. A Taric skin that doesn't make him look gay.

Seriously. Both of these characters' skins are horrible.

On April 26 2011 16:06 scintilliaSD wrote:
You can get an auto while walking through the enemy champ easily.

On April 26 2011 17:06 BlackPaladin wrote:
Trample simply makes me think of an ultralisk. o_o

And yeah with you being able to walk through creeps I'm sure you can fit in a single auto in there. So you only lose ~20 damage on your burst.

On April 26 2011 23:19 Zato-1 wrote:
WTF are you smoking. +5 MS is great on any champion, especially one who spends half the game walking around while roaming.

On a side note, Ryze nerf was pretty significant.

On April 26 2011 22:32 Unentschieden wrote:
Alistars roaming and very earlygame was definetly nerfed (propably still the best though). I like that he actually needs and utilises gold and XP now. Trample definetly is a buff outside of silly specialized backdooring builds.

On April 27 2011 01:33 Shikyo wrote:
The ryze nerf isn't enough but it clearly is a step in the right direction. 800 mana at lvl 1 was 80 bonus dmg, now it's only 64. Pretty significant nerf in the lategame as well. Of course the range is the main problem with the skill, but it's a step in the right direction.

On April 27 2011 02:37 BluzMan wrote:


800 mana at level 1 is impossible without mana reds/yellows which in turn makes him not take MPen reds and actually do less damage. Yellows give only 50 mana so flat mana regen is better.

On April 27 2011 00:19 Shikyo wrote:

dude it didn't kill blue wraith in the spotlight

On April 27 2011 02:50 HazMat wrote:
Just armor yellows. Mana regen real dumb on champs that get an early cata.

On April 27 2011 02:12 gtrsrs wrote:




ITT: people who don't realize how significant 0.5 seconds is to alistar's gank.




I'm not going to say +5 MS is a bad thing, +ANY MS is a good thing, but to say it's significant is a mistake. it comes out to like a 1.3% speed boost if you already have ali optimized for speed (MS quints and masteries, boots first opening), which all good alistar players do. So it's slightly worse than an extra MS quint. I guess this means you can swap out an MS quint for an HP quint to make up for the HP they took away from him - oh wait, his HP was decreased by 30 and HP quints only give 26 HP.

So in the alistar gets -0.2% MS and -4 base HP from this patch
real buff




why do you want MORE instances where you *have* to have items to be effective in this game? that's one of the worst parts of LoL - item dependence. the way that AP scaling effects the game is that they have to make every champ scale with AP to stick with the heavy hitters. there were like 2 champs in this game that could build anything and still be effective. making ali more item dependent is really going to hurt his upper level play imo imo imo. why do you WANT more champs that are farm dependent. are you really going to want to give your farm to an alistar now as a carry? sure he needs it more, but that doesn't mean you need it less.

also don't be ridiculous. no one uses alistar to backdoor at any sort of competent level of play. his passive was great for straight pushing, not BDing. he had the ability like no other melee champ in the game to run up to a tower that's defended by 5 people and do significant damage to it while his ranged carries hammered on it from behind. do you ignore alistar and try to stop the carries? ok alistar will just do 1/10th of your tower's life per hit for the next 6 seconds OR aoe disable your team when you run by him. do you focus alistar? okay he takes no damage and his carries wail on the tower. with his passive changed he's got no incentive to run up to the tower and create that issue. no ability to split push without building AD/AS. no ability to snipe a low HP tower, etc etc etc. his skillset was FAR from a "silly specialized backdoor" strat

On April 27 2011 03:41 HazMat wrote:
I guess, though armor yellows much better for early to mid game when all you've got is cata tear boots.
Dunno how people run out of mana on ryze though. do you W creeps?

On April 27 2011 03:03 BluzMan wrote:


Wrong for Ryze. Scaling mana regen is trash on him, but flat is much better than 50 extra mana. Ryze can run out of mana easily in hard lanes much earlier than he gets his cata, regen helps with that. Armor is viable too, but from my experience, regen is better. Flat mana yellow complete trash, outdone by any other runes. Still 704 mana.

On April 27 2011 04:29 BluzMan wrote:
Imagine you face a Cho'gath in lane. By levels 3-4 you run oom and he's still alive and your armor runes have done nothing. If you don't run oom then you didn't harass and your flat mana did nothing. Lose-lose. Flat mana regen is good on Ryze. Getting more flat mana from yellows seems bad because it's not stat-efficient runing, it's only 60 more mana (6 damage, with MR its 5). Certainly you don't want regen in lanes that die before you run oom, but there are actually lanes who can ignore all your damage and laugh at you.