EPTBtw, you know how they changed Ryze? I find it funny how they did that and then released an AP caster that at first glance seems to be very similar to the old ryze (same general strengths and weaknesses).
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Btw, you know how they changed Ryze? I find it funny how they did that and then released an AP caster that at first glance seems to be very similar to the old ryze (same general strengths and weaknesses). | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 13 2011 02:46 Craton wrote: So is Blaze as stupidly overpowered as he sounds on paper? On paper he seems like Kog-maw--a ton of damage in theory, but in practice has a hard time dealing that damage due to a lack of CC/escapes for him to reliably hit his targets without getting killed. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
I'm curious as to whether Blaze applies Rylai's slow. Probably not, but who knows? | ||
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starfries
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Juicyfruit
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On April 13 2011 04:32 Seuss wrote: Between Conflagration and Pillar it should be easy to ensure anyone jumping on you is already on fire. Sear's CD can drop below 4 seconds according to the spotlight, so any single target chasing you can be chain stunned with just Sear to lengthen survival. He also seems to be able to deal fairly nasty damage to 2-3 targets chasing him in close proximity thanks to his ultimate. I'm curious as to whether Blaze applies Rylai's slow. Probably not, but who knows? Just like the old ryze~! But the problem still remains that he'll get jumped on as soon as he tries to cast W and E because he's getting within reach of several targets that want him dead. Who knows, Brand might be a strong champion but it's still depressing that Riot is now ripping off their own champions ._. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:18 Juicyfruit wrote: Just like the old ryze~! But the problem still remains that he'll get jumped on as soon as he tries to cast W and E because he's getting within reach of several targets that want him dead. Who knows, Brand might be a strong champion but it's still depressing that Riot is now ripping off their own champions ._. Eh, a hero with a %hp based dot who can chain stun a single chasing target seems custom designed to put a dick in renekton/irelia's face. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:47 L wrote: Eh, a hero with a %hp based dot who can chain stun a single chasing target seems custom designed to put a dick in renekton/irelia's face. Indeed. He strikes me more of a ranged DPS like caster than a burst caster like Annie. So basically you stay just in range of the most extended enemy, typically a tank or tanky DPS, and kite him. Arguing that you still get killed that way is just like saying that ranged AD DPS can never autoattack once or they would die instantly. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
i think they went way over board for kat's x: | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:01 spinesheath wrote: Indeed. He strikes me more of a ranged DPS like caster than a burst caster like Annie. So basically you stay just in range of the most extended enemy, typically a tank or tanky DPS, and kite him. Arguing that you still get killed that way is just like saying that ranged AD DPS can never autoattack once or they would die instantly. Unless he's amazingly OP I don't think he'll be able to kite as amazingly as expected, but again, the bulk of his toolset focuses on AoE damage and not kiting. Ryze with enough cdr could easily kite a target forever with roots but that didn't mean it worked out for him, lol. Brand just seems like while he can poke, he will have a hard time casting multiple spells without getting cc'd, so his timing window is fairly limited. Like if you watch the video, in teamfights, Blare stands still quite a bit in teamfight without much defensive cc on his part. If his team wasn't winning so hard I don't think would have had an easy time casting all those spells without getting fucked by particle silence/stuns | ||
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kxr1der
United States213 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:05 Frolossus wrote: why the healing debuff nerfs? i think they went way over board for kat's x: probably to balance out the reduced healing that renekton and i think mundo got. I realy think they are balancing wrong. I dont think the problem is tanky dps correctly but the prevalance of CC. I find that when the enemy team has 5 champs with at least one form of cc each theres just no way for a squishy to survive long enough to do anything. Now I know at high elo this is not a problem because positioning is so much better but to the bulk of the player base its annoying and id rather just pick renekton who can stand in the middle of all of it and live. Basically i think they should make more champs like morde or kat who have no CC. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:13 Juicyfruit wrote: Unless he's amazingly OP I don't think he'll be able to kite as amazingly as expected, but again, the bulk of his toolset focuses on AoE damage and not kiting. Ryze with enough cdr could easily kite a target forever with roots but that didn't mean it worked out for him, lol. Brand just seems like while he can poke, he will have a hard time casting multiple spells without getting cc'd, so his timing window is fairly limited. Like if you watch the video, in teamfights, Blare stands still quite a bit in teamfight without much defensive cc on his part. If his team wasn't winning so hard I don't think would have had an easy time casting all those spells without getting fucked by particle silence/stuns He also deals quite some collateral damage, much like Sivir. The Pillar and that spread to nearby enemies spell set up a bunch of ablaze defuffs, and his ulti goes to work on all of those. But really, low cooldown 2 sec duration stun together with %HP damage definitely sounds beastly. | ||
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Juicyfruit
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Kaneh
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On April 13 2011 02:49 Juicyfruit wrote: Brand to me sounds more like "get jumped on and instantly die every fight" because of bad range and no on-call cc besides a stun that requires you to cast 2 spells. Btw, you know how they changed Ryze? I find it funny how they did that and then released an AP caster that at first glance seems to be very similar to the old ryze (same general strengths and weaknesses). Brand has two skillshots. Ryze was 100% targeted spells; pretty big difference there IMO. On April 13 2011 05:47 L wrote: Eh, a hero with a %hp based dot who can chain stun a single chasing target seems custom designed to put a dick in renekton/irelia's face. Healing and damage shields are pretty good counters to % based damage- if the % damage is affecting a total HP of, say, 1500 but you can live through 600 more damage from lifesteal / healing / damage shields, then % of HP damage is weaker. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:14 kxr1der wrote: I realy think they are balancing wrong. I dont think the problem is tanky dps correctly but the prevalance of CC. I find that when the enemy team has 5 champs with at least one form of cc each theres just no way for a squishy to survive long enough to do anything. Now I know at high elo this is not a problem because positioning is so much better but to the bulk of the player base its annoying and id rather just pick renekton who can stand in the middle of all of it and live. Basically i think they should make more champs like morde or kat who have no CC. CC is what makes positioning matter. Without CC you can't force a fight onto someone that's out of position, because they just back off. Then you get teams who posture for hours because nobody has to commit to bad fights if there's not enough CC. By extension it means that CC creates for gameplay that punishes mistakes harshly, but in any competitive game, that's a good thing for skill differentiation. As far as I'm concerned, CC is not a problem so long as using it is skill-dependent, either mechanically or through good resource management (long cooldowns, high costs/risks, etc.). The only point-and-click stuns that don't carry some form of skill-dependence/risk are really Taric's and Sion's, and one of those got a nerf this patch. | ||
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Kaniol
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Brand strikes me as a champion that can deal a lot of damage but he doesn't strike me as someone who can achieve it safely. | ||
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