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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
April 14 2011 12:26 GMT
#1481
Yep, the only thing that changed were cloak and BF sword cost. So atmas is a few gold cheaper too, as is PD.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
April 15 2011 04:18 GMT
#1482
I have to report Noc's first jungle clear is noticeably slower. Double buff gank is delayed somewhat.

Also frozen mallet is beast on him! I'm still wondering if I should get hog anymore or not.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 15 2011 06:22 GMT
#1483
On April 14 2011 20:28 Caphe wrote:
Yeah, Ashes kick more ass now. I was surprise by how early I can get my IE on her. I normally go Zeal then BF sword then IE. Some time it was quite slow before the patch but now my item order make so much sense. I can both good AS and IE just pass the 20 mins.
Will try MF today since her is free. Is MF build similar to Ashe?


No. On MF build Bloodthirstier instead of IE and don't bother with AS as she has a steroid (her W). Generally I start Dblade on her, go into zerkers/mercs, Bloodthirstier, Last Whisper, then situational depending on what the other team looks like (usually want some survivability at this point as you already do a good amount of damage).

MF is a really good early game champ and she scales pretty decent into late game. She's not as amazing as Trist/Corki/Ashe is late game though.
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
April 15 2011 06:56 GMT
#1484
On April 15 2011 15:22 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 20:28 Caphe wrote:
Yeah, Ashes kick more ass now. I was surprise by how early I can get my IE on her. I normally go Zeal then BF sword then IE. Some time it was quite slow before the patch but now my item order make so much sense. I can both good AS and IE just pass the 20 mins.
Will try MF today since her is free. Is MF build similar to Ashe?


No. On MF build Bloodthirstier instead of IE and don't bother with AS as she has a steroid (her W). Generally I start Dblade on her, go into zerkers/mercs, Bloodthirstier, Last Whisper, then situational depending on what the other team looks like (usually want some survivability at this point as you already do a good amount of damage).

MF is a really good early game champ and she scales pretty decent into late game. She's not as amazing as Trist/Corki/Ashe is late game though.


Of course she's not as good lategame if you build BT. IE is still better in my opinion.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 15 2011 23:42 GMT
#1485
IE isn't a bad choice on MF because really the only difference it has is the effect on her ult and her ult isn't her main source of damage anyway.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 15 2011 23:48 GMT
#1486
Much rather BT on champ like MF, Cait, and Ez. IE for Ashe, Trist.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 15 2011 23:48 GMT
#1487
On April 16 2011 08:42 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
IE isn't a bad choice on MF because really the only difference it has is the effect on her ult and her ult isn't her main source of damage anyway.

Just confirming, but Q can't crit, right?
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SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
April 16 2011 00:22 GMT
#1488
Yup it can't
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TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 00:26:29
April 16 2011 00:26 GMT
#1489
Correct

edit: ninja'd
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
April 16 2011 01:38 GMT
#1490
double thirster double PD, GA
lifesteal MF OP
You can't milk those!
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 16 2011 08:51 GMT
#1491
On April 16 2011 08:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Much rather BT on champ like MF, Cait, and Ez. IE for Ashe, Trist.

Would someone explain to me why you would get BT on Cait and IE on Ashe?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
puckstop101
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada132 Posts
April 16 2011 08:56 GMT
#1492
im assumeing it becausse caitlyn cannot kite as effectelvy as ashe, so needs the little more damege / life steal to be able to surive just a little longer
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
April 16 2011 09:06 GMT
#1493
1st champs have skills that scale with ad. 2nd champs ashe has crit passive, trist has long range to not need lifesteal as much.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 09:09:17
April 16 2011 09:07 GMT
#1494
On April 16 2011 18:06 cascades wrote:
1st champs have skills that scale with ad. 2nd champs ashe has crit passive, trist has long range to not need lifesteal as much.

Volley.
And Ashe's passive is the worst thing to consider for item choices (IE adds HALF a non-crit autoattack's damage for ONE attack in a fight).
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 16 2011 09:16 GMT
#1495
On April 16 2011 18:07 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 18:06 cascades wrote:
1st champs have skills that scale with ad. 2nd champs ashe has crit passive, trist has long range to not need lifesteal as much.

Volley.
And Ashe's passive is the worst thing to consider for item choices (IE adds HALF a non-crit autoattack's damage for ONE attack in a fight).


let's not forget it does nothing if the attack would have been a crit anyway! So reduce the bonus by 25% if you have iedge, 55% (i think) if you have edge + phantom, etc
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 16 2011 09:24 GMT
#1496
Well Ashe's passive is good at lv1 first shot, can take 1/4 HP away but useless in team fight since Ashe should shot and W non stop. I think IE now is good for all ranged carry since its cheaper and can be rush easier now.
Terran
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
April 16 2011 10:06 GMT
#1497
On April 16 2011 18:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 18:07 spinesheath wrote:
On April 16 2011 18:06 cascades wrote:
1st champs have skills that scale with ad. 2nd champs ashe has crit passive, trist has long range to not need lifesteal as much.

Volley.
And Ashe's passive is the worst thing to consider for item choices (IE adds HALF a non-crit autoattack's damage for ONE attack in a fight).


let's not forget it does nothing if the attack would have been a crit anyway! So reduce the bonus by 25% if you have iedge, 55% (i think) if you have edge + phantom, etc

It's about the extra crit damage of IE over BT, not about the extra crit damage from Ashe's passive.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
April 16 2011 11:31 GMT
#1498
I think I would go IE on cait+mf now, ezreal obv not cos his q doesn't crit.
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
April 16 2011 11:43 GMT
#1499
bt->cait,mf,ezreal,urgot
carrys that have high ad ratios on thier spells and cannot crit or they dont auto much in teamfights
ie->trist,ashe,twitch
carrys that rely on thier auto to do damage
cleaver->corki
cuz corki has shit ad ratios and gattling + cleaver is real
i wish riot would give me better ping
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
April 16 2011 13:42 GMT
#1500
I can understand cait, since her q and r are a large part of her damage and scales very well, and with no AS steroid she needs raw damage to actually do decent dps. But with MF generally you're pressing w and right clicking, with a q here and there when off cooldown. Rarely do I want to ult unless they're running since when you ult you're sooooo vulnerable especially in this tanky dps metagame where EVERYTHING can jump at you and eat your face. It's only 20 AD anyway and the crit damage you do autoattacking during fights is often a higher part of her damage imo. At least the way I've always player her since she hits so hard with w active.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
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