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On December 15 2010 09:29 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 09:04 Seuss wrote:
What I'm saying is if they're camping your bushes, doing zero last hitting, and just waiting until they hit level 3 and you're level 1 to try and tower dive you it's an option Zilean has that some other champions don't to hold it off. In any other scenario a wide variety of champions are capable of managing creep waves such that they aren't exp denied and also aren't at risk of being dived until a gank is feasible. they're not going to tower dive you at level 3. they're going to keep exp denying you and put a ward up in the bush. and when your jungler comes to help kill you, you're still level 1, you jump out of tower to help, they kill you, worst case scenario for them is 1 for 1, best case scenario they kill you and jungler doesn't get a kill, or they kill jungler after they kill you and take the double buff and then tower. if your jungler never comes they just take your tower
And then they no longer have a lane to farm in at level 4, while you get free solo farm. They have to go steal their jungle or other lanes xp, screwing them up.
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God Garen is complete ass right now. There goes my favorite champ. Spin doesn't do enough damage to scare people in lane anymore unless you build AD, but then you get bursted down in 3 seconds. He's literally terrible.
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On December 15 2010 09:34 Seuss wrote:
If the full exp deny was really this intractable I don't see why it wasn't used extensively before. It's not as though the solo lane exp nerf makes a difference to the full exp deny in the early game. What, if anything, has been preventing this strategy from being typical against junglers up to this point?
i've been advocating it for a while actually, but people get so ingrained in their own habits that no one is willing to make something fresh work
the exp nerf has only renewed my vigor and hopefully people will see its strength now
^^you're absolutely right, double stun top against a solo, especially champs that aren't extremely farm-dependent will make this strat perfect
right now i'm calling jungle in solo, taking xin (a jungler who's a better laner!!) and then swapping smite out of my spells at the last second and going to lane. hasn't been met with much approval by my teammates but i'll make this happen somehow
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On December 15 2010 07:19 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 07:09 myopia wrote:
we should start playing DotA IH's with liquidparty people hahah slint get dota's iccup launcher and i'll play with you. it's kinda laggy in the USA cause it's based in russia iirc but still fun. i got up to C+ or B- in the initial season storm spirit 4lyfe
I would but we'd need more people. Pubbing is one thing with automated matchmaking, DotA on the Bnet setup is almost unbearable.
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The problem is that the solo hero can just stay in xp range near the bottom of the lane and if you come out to fuck with him, he can drink a potion and let the ranged creeps beat on you for a bit. After that, because of the missing damage, the lane will push to his side and he'll be able to get free xp.
If you have GP, however, that doesn't happen, which is why GP and a hero that creates massive fear from the bushes is terrifying.
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Eve/twitch could 1v2 ez till tower is dead or enemy gets pink ward.
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On December 15 2010 10:06 L wrote:
The problem is that the solo hero can just stay in xp range near the bottom of the lane and if you come out to fuck with him, he can drink a potion and let the ranged creeps beat on you for a bit. After that, because of the missing damage, the lane will push to his side and he'll be able to get free xp.
If you have GP, however, that doesn't happen, which is why GP and a hero that creates massive fear from the bushes is terrifying.
So we did this last game. Only problem; GP doesn't take deny first. Fucking wow. We even explained in champion select what was going to happen. Fucking moron.
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On December 15 2010 10:27 rapistzerg wrote:
Eve/twitch could 1v2 ez till tower is dead or enemy gets pink ward.
1 HP wards means Twitch can still 1v2, and Eve can as well if she can get in melee range of the ward before it disappears. They just kill the ward and continue.
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On December 15 2010 10:27 rapistzerg wrote:
Eve/twitch could 1v2 ez till tower is dead or enemy gets pink ward.
best troll is best?
anything but a lane-switch for a twitch in a 1v2 is gg suicide. twitch without items, rofl
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On December 15 2010 10:05 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 07:19 gtrsrs wrote:On December 15 2010 07:09 myopia wrote:
we should start playing DotA IH's with liquidparty people hahah slint get dota's iccup launcher and i'll play with you. it's kinda laggy in the USA cause it's based in russia iirc but still fun. i got up to C+ or B- in the initial season storm spirit 4lyfe I would but we'd need more people. Pubbing is one thing with automated matchmaking, DotA on the Bnet setup is almost unbearable.
that's why we'd be playing on iccup... not bnet. it's got team balancing etc etc
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If you run a duo lane top with a setup like Taric and Ryze, the solo lane is pretty much screwed. Heals from taric and double stun. At lvl 1 taric stuns Ryze runs up away from creeps and uses spell flux. That's going to be about 300 damage right there. Nothing you can do about it other than get rolled.
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On December 15 2010 09:40 JokerSan wrote:
God Garen is complete ass right now. There goes my favorite champ. Spin doesn't do enough damage to scare people in lane anymore unless you build AD, but then you get bursted down in 3 seconds. He's literally terrible.
I'm convinced he is the worst hero in the game atm
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United States4337 Posts
Just to make sure you are all aware of the new Leaver/Ban system. Dont leave a lot or you will get in trouble!
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Link doesn't work atm Psyonic.
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There goes my 4-phantom uberdodge Sivir build.
Sigh.
At least I'm not gonna be getting boned by flash when I combo somebody as Veig anymore.
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the exp deny at top was always possible, the patch didnt change anything, since it happened at lvl 1 anyways.
A jungler gives mapcontrol, is constantly mia and provides the 2 buffs for his team. Its still better imo.
in fact, no minion count now puts the deniers in risk of being ganked by a jungler that did lizard buff first.
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On December 15 2010 11:40 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 09:40 JokerSan wrote:
God Garen is complete ass right now. There goes my favorite champ. Spin doesn't do enough damage to scare people in lane anymore unless you build AD, but then you get bursted down in 3 seconds. He's literally terrible. I'm convinced he is the worst hero in the game atm
TRULY THE FIELDS OF JUSTICE
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United States4337 Posts
The link works for me. Does it not work for anybody else?
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Doesn't work for me either. You sure it's not a company only wiki? 
And Garen is so bad. I was hoping Smash was doom saying about Garen with all his fancy math but holy shit, I am so disappointed in Garen now. I might have to boot him out of my top 3 most played now.
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EPT
