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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:33 Shikyo wrote: She can't do that 99.95% of the time though, only as cleanup. In teamfight she pretty much just spams Q after pooping the W every couple seconds. Which of course is really strong by itself. The ulti can be super strong if you combo it well, and she's one of the few casters who can 1v1 a melee DPS So we have a 700 rage 200+0.55*AP magic damage 1 sec cooldown spell. Compare that to any ranged physical DPS. Sounds solid to me. Could it be that you are trying to play Cass like any other caster instead of a ranged DPS like you should? Or do you have trouble landing that poison on a tank who is charging for the carry line? | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:40 spinesheath wrote: Gold/10 on supports is overrated in general. Philo is great because of its highly efficient regen stats. But as a support, you don't get the farm to grab a couple of gold/10 items early enough to make them pay off before the game is over. At least not if you're buying wards. Gold/10 is great if the game is still not decided 35+ minutes in, but maybe such a long game is a direct result of stacking stat-inefficient items like Pick and HoG...? Also: Sheen Taric best Taric. actually this kinda brings up another point that i thought of regarding the need for gold/10 to fund wards, and i have to say that with the exception of super-safe farm style games (which u only see in competitive games), you should easily be funded by both ur assist counter and by just covering open lanes in regards to sheen taric being best taric, i would get it if i wasnt such a deathcap whore | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Oh, and change her fucking ult. Enemies hit get stunned, no matter how they are facing. You already have to be in extreme close range to do it, that is enough risk. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:41 Brees wrote: only problem with cass is that she's a DOT mage, and that is what tanky dps is for usually. The only DOT mages that are considered viable atm are malzahar and swain and they both have crazy gamechanging skills (malz pool and aoe silence from long range), and swain ult. I cant think of a time id rather have cass over swain really, does everything she does but better i feel like cass would be better than the above in some kind of hardcore kiting comp, but otherwise i agree, esp considering how much easier it is to play said champs. i'd also add rumble to the list as well | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:47 spinesheath wrote: So we have a 700 rage 200+0.55*AP magic damage 1 sec cooldown spell. Compare that to any ranged physical DPS. Sounds solid to me. Could it be that you are trying to play Cass like any other caster instead of a ranged DPS like you should? Or do you have trouble landing that poison on a tank who is charging for the carry line? Have you actually tried to play Cass that way? Since she gets killed instantly if caught. I only E spam defensively, I don't run in like a madman. Nope you can't play her as a ranged DPS, that makes no sense. E cooldown also is like 2 - 2.5 seconds, not 1sec. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Seriously, just have Singed on your team and the whole "omg they need to be poisoned" problem is solved. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:55 Shikyo wrote: Have you actually tried to play Cass that way? Since she gets killed instantly if caught. I only E spam defensively, I don't run in like a madman. Nope you can't play her as a ranged DPS, that makes no sense. E cooldown also is like 2 - 2.5 seconds, not 1sec. Cast time + reset to 0.5 sec results in ~1 sec. Have you actually ever played a ranged DPS? One that builds IE LW PD and attacks from LESS than 700 range? Of course ranged DPS gets instakilled if caught (and Exhaust is down). Don't get caught. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:58 spinesheath wrote: Cast time + reset to 0.5 sec results in ~1 sec. Have you actually ever played a ranged DPS? One that builds IE LW PD and attacks from LESS than 700 range? Of course ranged DPS gets instakilled if caught (and Exhaust is down). Don't get caught. Also, ranged AD DPS don't have a 2 sec huge AOE stun/nuke. Sorry Shikyo, you're talking out of your ass here. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:58 spinesheath wrote: Cast time + reset to 0.5 sec results in ~1 sec. Have you actually ever played a ranged DPS? One that builds IE LW PD and attacks from LESS than 700 range? Of course ranged DPS gets instakilled if caught (and Exhaust is down). Don't get caught. Those ranged champions don't need to hit a delayed AoE skill every time they can attack. E cooldown is 5 seconds without that. And E cooldown is 1sec maybe at 200 range, I'm assuming max range. On June 16 2011 05:03 Odds wrote: Also, ranged AD DPS don't have a 2 sec huge AOE stun/nuke. Sorry Shikyo, you're talking out of your ass here. By saying that she's not a ranged DPS? Are you serious | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:04 Two_DoWn wrote: CONDITIONAL stun Not really. If you're in a position that someone's going to hurt you, they are facing you and it is a stun. Even when only the slow hits, it is an enormous slow, and the nuke damage is still huge too. On June 16 2011 05:04 Shikyo wrote: By saying that she's not a ranged DPS? Are you serious Pay attention please. She IS a ranged DPS, which is exactly why all the QQ about her dying when she gets caught is completely moot. Every ranged DPS dies if it gets caught, and she has it much better than most with one of the highest effective ranges in the game (second only to Caitlyn), a movespeed buff, a slow, and a 2 second aoe get out of jail free card/wtfnuke | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:06 Odds wrote: Not really. If you're in a position that someone's going to hurt you, they are facing you and it is a stun. Even when only the slow hits, it is an enormous slow, and the nuke damage is still huge too. Pay attention please. She IS a ranged DPS, which is exactly why all the QQ about her dying when she gets caught is completely moot. Every ranged DPS dies if it gets caught, and she has it much better than most with one of the highest effective ranges in the game (second only to Caitlyn), a movespeed buff, a slow, and a 2 second aoe get out of jail free card/wtfnuke And all those ranged dps have an unconditional attack. Not to mention, NO range DPS has a piss-poor autoattack and hence you're forced to push your lane like crazy if you want any farm(forced pushing with 0 escape mechanisms = bad combo) And you're saying that Cass has a good survivability kit? Compared to every ranged DPS in the game, hers is worse. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:09 Shikyo wrote: And all those ranged dps have an unconditional attack. Please, never play Blitzcrank. I think you're arguing just for the sake of arguing, so I'm not going to bother. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:10 Odds wrote: Please, never play Blitzcrank. I think you're arguing just for the sake of arguing, so I'm not going to bother. What ? You actually are the one with no proper arguments other than "I'm right you're not". If you can't argue properly, then just don't do it in the first place. And are you saying Blitz is a ranged dps? Has a conditional attack? ... What? You're making no sense at all. Ah ok it's the "I'm wrong but have no counterarguments so I just call you dumb and leave" tactic. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
If you watch carefully you can see that she doesn't cast E until just after the 9 second mark, and her cooldown is back just after the 10 second mark. Slightly more than a second possibly elapsed, but not more than 1.2 seconds. Certainly nothing close to the 2-2.5 seconds you asserted. | ||
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Raynian
United States50 Posts
Her main problem is that the AoE on her Q is pitiful. In the lane, all it takes is for your opponent to get boots1 and simply watch your movements, and you're practically worthless. W and E aren't good harassment tools in lane, and the higher ELO you get, the harder it is to land the one spell she needs to combo into the rest of her kit. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
I haven't played for a few weeks so some names escape me, especially the champs you rarely see. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Autoattackers don't get 200 base damage at level 9. They cap out at something like 110 at level 18. Stun, slow, movespeed buff: I think she's got a decent kit for kiting. Similar to Ashe and way better than MF. | ||
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