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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On June 16 2011 03:11 Odds wrote: That would be overpowered as hell, Cass is a very strong hero as it is. Shut up, shut up! Everyone ignore this man's strange ramblings. Cass is bad, do not use her, pay no attention to her....*shifty eyes* | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 16 2011 02:58 Mogwai wrote: I'M SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT COMPARING SORAKA WITH AN ULT TO SORAKA WITHOUT AN ULT, WE'RE COMPARING SORAKA TO FUCKING KARMA. I realize my comparison is pretty retarded but I don't think that her skills are any stronger than any other champion. The only thing she has going for her is that R+E is insanely strong but her other abilities even with mantra are pretty average. I don't think her RE makes up for an ultimate. Same with udyr, turtle and bear stance are good, but not WTFOP, while tiger is really good, but imo not compareable to having an ultimate and a decent Q. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
But on the subject of Karma, you're just not seeing good ones. RQ is absurdly strong, RE is absurdly strong and each of her abilities on their own, coupled with her passive, are all very high power level. The character is quite good, she just doesn't fit easily onto a standard team comp. It's literally the exact same problem as Lux and Morgana (support/nuker who needs farm). | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Karma is also impossible to towerdive and is pretty good at holding towers. She is really a nuker that happens to have a shield and an aoe heal and a speedboost. Also, tethering W feels really weak right now. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On June 16 2011 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Shut up, shut up! Everyone ignore this man's strange ramblings. Cass is bad, do not use her, pay no attention to her....*shifty eyes* Cassadin is probably one of the most unpopular champions but wholly not deserved. If a Cassadin builds Rylai's scepter it drives me up the wall to no end. Damn snake bitch slithers up and down the lane whilst you run back and forth like a cripple trying to either get away or catch up, neither of wich a good Cassadin is going to have any. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On June 16 2011 03:46 zalz wrote: Cassadin is probably one of the most unpopular champions but wholly not deserved. If a Cassadin builds Rylai's scepter it drives me up the wall to no end. Damn snake bitch slithers up and down the lane whilst you run back and forth like a cripple trying to either get away or catch up, neither of wich a good Cassadin is going to have any. What the fuck is a Cassadin. /headsplodes | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
He's dutch, he means Cassiopeia. 'snake bitch slithers' is a pretty dead give away. He should proof-read his posts, though. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i'm trying to get a ranked win with every champ and i've been waiting years for gragas/karma. i see that gragas hasn't been free in months, too bad i just bought him. watch him be free next week FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU also cass is bad, karma is bad, everything they do can be done by other champs more efficiently and with less farm also the new gold/5 changes are going to make taric top-tier support imo. i think he's the only support who can viably take a philo, a HoG, and a Kage's and put them all to use. maybe soraka and sona can get by with a philo + Kage's, but then you've also got taric's stun. taric + cait bot lane 4lyfe | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On June 16 2011 03:46 Mogwai wrote: you mean mantraing-W, right? and yea, I agree, they should make it nuke/heal the single target when mantraed just to make it make some sense to use that ever, but as is, Q and E are both so good with mantra boost atm that I don't care particularly much. I posted some math in Karma's thread which correlates your opinion that Mantra'd W sucks. I personally think Karma's W should nuke its direct target if it's an enemy (it's not intuitive that it doesn't). Mantra'd W would be more compelling if they tripled the haste effect while still only doubling the snare. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:04 Mogwai wrote: yea, cause I hear other supports have no use for HP and AP o_O. What are you smoking and where can I score some? if you need HP on soraka/sona and you opt for HoG over kindlegem or catalyst, i must counterclaim that it is YOU who is smoking a potent illicit substance, not i, and i would like to redirect your question and query you as to where you acquired such mind-altering goodness but in all seriousness taric can build randuin's effectively since he's much beefier than the other supports the other ranged supports are much better off building AP after their first couple gold/5 items and wards and aura shit. if they need the HP i think RoA or shurelia's are better on them (not that either are bad on taric per se). but now that gold/5 is going to be passive, taric can (and should) build HoG and philo with the intent of upgrading them later, and kage's with the intent of selling it for deathcap later | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
and like, isn't the point that you're making not about acquiring gold/10, not HP or AP specifically? I mean, sure, getting reverie quicker is better in the short term, but if you're trying to gear up for late game based on the idea that you're not last hitting, every support will do AOK just grabbing kage + philo + HoG. And I mean, you can also simulate the 2 philo effect pretty well by just quickly upgrading 1 to a miracle (or reverie) and then sitting on Miracle + Philo in lane. *shrugs*, I just see a lot of kage + philo + HoG based builds in the future if they don't do anything else to g/10. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:02 gtrsrs wrote: also cass is bad... everything [she] do[es] can be done by other champs more efficiently and with less farm Uh, no, she puts out the most raw, farm-independent dps in the game. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:12 gtrsrs wrote: if you need HP on soraka/sona and you opt for HoG over kindlegem or catalyst, i must counterclaim that it is YOU who is smoking a potent illicit substance, not i, and i would like to redirect your question and query you as to where you acquired such mind-altering goodness but in all seriousness taric can build randuin's effectively since he's much beefier than the other supports the other ranged supports are much better off building AP after their first couple gold/5 items and wards and aura shit. if they need the HP i think RoA or shurelia's are better on them (not that either are bad on taric per se). but now that gold/5 is going to be passive, taric can (and should) build HoG and philo with the intent of upgrading them later, and kage's with the intent of selling it for deathcap later gold/10 es overrated on taric, locicero style dring stack all day yo | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
i think he is referring to the fact that a cassadin brings to mind a half snake void monster with a huge purple lazor sword, which would make any reasonable person's head explode edit: and sry for doublepost, but my browser is being weird and not letting me copypasta stuff | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:23 Odds wrote: Uh, no, she puts out the most raw, farm-independent dps in the game. She can't do that 99.95% of the time though, only as cleanup. In teamfight she pretty much just spams Q after pooping the W every couple seconds. Which of course is really strong by itself. The ulti can be super strong if you combo it well, and she's one of the few casters who can 1v1 a melee DPS Still think he's slightly UP because she tends to be useless outside of teamfights since her Q is so easy to dodge with tier 2 boots. Btw did you know Riot lists Heimer as support and Janna as mage | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:33 Shikyo wrote: She can't do that 99.95% of the time though, only as cleanup. In teamfight she pretty much just spams Q after pooping the W every couple seconds. Which of course is really strong by itself. The ulti can be super strong if you combo it well, and she's one of the few casters who can 1v1 a melee DPS Still think he's slightly UP because she tends to be useless outside of teamfights since her Q is so easy to dodge with tier 2 boots. Btw did you know Riot lists Heimer as support and Janna as mage im not a cass player, but when i hear this about urgot's e, i just laugh maniacally. seems like it would also apply to cass since cass also has a decently ranged, aoe slow to set up q-e combos | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On June 16 2011 04:29 barbsq wrote: gold/10 es overrated on taric, locicero style dring stack all day yo Gold/10 on supports is overrated in general. Philo is great because of its highly efficient regen stats. But as a support, you don't get the farm to grab a couple of gold/10 items early enough to make them pay off before the game is over. At least not if you're buying wards. Gold/10 is great if the game is still not decided 35+ minutes in, but maybe such a long game is a direct result of stacking stat-inefficient items like Pick and HoG...? Also: Sheen Taric best Taric. | ||
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