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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 16 2011 19:27 GMT
#9701
On March 17 2011 04:24 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 04:11 Shikyo wrote:
I ran some math and... I can't think of any situation where crit dmg rune'd crits deal more dmg than apen runed crits except when your items already bring the target to such a low armor level that your apen runes don't have their full effect... how does that make any sense? crit dmg runes only affect crit after all. They should be like doubled in efficiency.

After typing this i realize you already dismiss it but whatever o_o, i get fb all the time doing this

shaco deceive. most ranged dps have sub 20 armor at level 1, so a little crit dmg from runes , since you already have armor pen from masteries+ reds(20/0/10) = 21 armor pen, you can use quints + blues for crit dmg, flat armor ylws are better imo
Anyways, the burst dmg is decent, take smite/ignite and you're going to oneshot that ashe/ryze/tf/kass or whoever who opens boots first/sapphire , etc. with 424-500 hp, etc.

i guess.. late game pirate with LW and >80%, crit chance crit dmg runes would be better :O

afaik they changed it so that shaco deceive isn't affected by +crit dmg runes
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 16 2011 19:36 GMT
#9702
so my last 20 shaco games have been a lie?!
D: must test vs bots
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 16 2011 19:38 GMT
#9703
Not effected by ie either.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 16 2011 19:40 GMT
#9704
On March 17 2011 04:11 Shikyo wrote:
I ran some math and... I can't think of any situation where crit dmg rune'd crits deal more dmg than apen runed crits except when your items already bring the target to such a low armor level that your apen runes don't have their full effect... how does that make any sense? crit dmg runes only affect crit after all. They should be like doubled in efficiency.


super-bursty random combat is fun
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
March 16 2011 19:45 GMT
#9705
don't you just love the random, undocumented, exceptions to rules this game is full of


also, those treeman buffs are legit. Alas, I could've been someone.Could've been a treeman contenda.
it's my first day
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 19:52:41
March 16 2011 19:47 GMT
#9706
Well on Tryndamere (I run AS blues and filled rest of page with crit damage), other than IE I get arpen items exclusively (GB, SotD/Starks, LW, game usually over). I think the idea was that crit damage couldn't be bought with items after IE, so it was more value for the money lategame, which is where Tryndamere owns face anyway.
Also I jungle with green pot, so when I roll out for a level 4 gank I've got: 25% AS, 20% crit at full health (max of 55% if hurt), 51% increased crit damage (max of 69% with bloodlust stacks), boots, lizard buff, and ghost.
At level 4.

People usually die.

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't run that page on anyone else unless I'm trolling. GP needs other runes and twitch blows now. Your first crit as Ashe hits really hard though, it's pretty funny
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 16 2011 19:48 GMT
#9707
On March 17 2011 04:38 HazMat wrote:
Not effected by ie either.

or masteries?! D:...
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 16 2011 19:50 GMT
#9708
Nope. I too was sad when I learned this.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 19:53:52
March 16 2011 19:51 GMT
#9709
Well i'll be damned(just tested it). Fucking regi trolling me with his 20/0/10 masteries shaco video
time for AD quints!

Oh well no wonder it was like a year ago, when i wasn't even playing LoL, so i never got to read the patch.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 20:02:07
March 16 2011 19:52 GMT
#9710
On March 17 2011 04:47 Flakes wrote:
Well on Tryndamere (I run AS blues and filled rest of page with crit damage), other than IE I get arpen items exclusively (GB, SotD/Starks, LW, game usually over). I think the idea was that crit damage couldn't be bought with items after IE, so it was more value for the money lategame, which is where Tryndamere owns face anyway.
Also I jungle with green pot, so when I roll out for a level 4 gank I've got: 25% AS, 20% crit at full health (max of 55% if hurt), 51% increased crit damage (max of 69% with bloodlust stacks), boots, lizard buff, and ghost.
At level 4.

People usually die.

if you run the rests you'll see that even your crits deal more dmg with apen runes than with crit dmg runes unless when the opponent has like... less than 25 armor after your items' reduction, in which case you 2-shot them anyways.

Also at lvl 4, run the tests and you'll see that your crits deal more dmg with apen than if you have crit dmg runes... and they also affect your non-crits as well.


I don't run that page on anyone else unless I'm trolling. GP needs other runes and twitch blows now. Your first crit as Ashe hits really hard though, it's pretty funny

First crit of ashe deals more dmg with some crit + some apen runes than with full crit dmg runes, and you're going to be doing worse dmg in every way after like lvl 5 compared to full apen setup. .
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
March 16 2011 19:55 GMT
#9711
On March 17 2011 04:51 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Well i'll be damned(just tested it). Fucking regi trolling me with his 20/0/10 masteries shaco video
time for AD quints!

Oh well no wonder it was like a year ago, when i wasn't even playing LoL, so i never got to read the patch.


He made a new video.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 16 2011 19:56 GMT
#9712
dunno why he'd go 20/0/10, 19/0/11 always imo.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 16 2011 19:56 GMT
#9713
I may try switching to a 9-0-21 or a 0-9-21. Going full offense on any jungler never made much sense to me, considering that the 4% damage boost is negligible compared to a 15% buff duration bonus.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 16 2011 19:59 GMT
#9714
20-0-10 gives u full neut bonus
l0l
Hey! Listen!
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 20:00:10
March 16 2011 19:59 GMT
#9715
On the plus side you can crit in ADDITION to the deceive bonus I think. Very lulz if you get lucky like that.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 16 2011 20:01 GMT
#9716
On March 17 2011 04:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
I may try switching to a 9-0-21 or a 0-9-21. Going full offense on any jungler never made much sense to me, considering that the 4% damage boost is negligible compared to a 15% buff duration bonus.

thats why I go 19/0/11 get full neut and greed.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 16 2011 20:01 GMT
#9717
On March 17 2011 04:59 Navi wrote:
20-0-10 gives u full neut bonus
l0l

yeah, but why spend that many points in the tree if crit dmg is useless on shaco?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 16 2011 20:03 GMT
#9718
On March 17 2011 05:01 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 04:59 Navi wrote:
20-0-10 gives u full neut bonus
l0l

yeah, but why spend that many points in the tree if crit dmg is useless on shaco?

his new video(jun 2010?) he goes 21-0-9 armor pen red/quint crit chance ylw crit dmg blues
2 box minigolem 3 box liz smite big wraith
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 20:06:55
March 16 2011 20:05 GMT
#9719
in that case I'm gonna go 15/0/15, basically same setup I run on ezreal
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 20:26:57
March 16 2011 20:08 GMT
#9720
On March 17 2011 04:55 0123456789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 04:51 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Well i'll be damned(just tested it). Fucking regi trolling me with his 20/0/10 masteries shaco video
time for AD quints!

Oh well no wonder it was like a year ago, when i wasn't even playing LoL, so i never got to read the patch.


He made a new video.

umm... what new video?

this is the newst i've found and it specifically shows 20-0-10... liek i thought. -_- dodeedo
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
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