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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 12 2011 17:08 GMT
#20761
You can trade a few kills for drag. Never anything more than that, although if it is a full 5 man I am generally willing to trade top tower, since first top tower is generally the most meaningless.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 12 2011 17:08 GMT
#20762
Smash once said
"the tower will be there
dragon/players will not"
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 12 2011 17:08 GMT
#20763
On July 13 2011 01:53 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 01:49 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I of course still have a long way to go, but I am far above the ~ 1100 elo that I am currently at. I understand last hitting, team compositions, wards, and have reasonably good decision making. A lot of people that I play with are like you described.

you're saying you're far above the 1100 elo that you're at but then you're also going into the Jarman thread and saying that Irelia ruins him in lane. I'm guessing you're much worse mechanically than you think you are.

Its not like I can look at people I play with and learn from them, right? ^_^

I'm quite sure that I'm worse than I say by the standards of people on here, but I'm trying to take in as much knowledge as I can. Pro streams I don't find very useful since most of them don't comment on their play as much as starcraft players do.

Do you guys play much in liquidparty, or not? Every time I go in there people generally idle, but I'd love to get a game or two in with people here to tell me how shitty I am. ^_^
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
July 12 2011 17:10 GMT
#20764
After 25 minutes dragon isn't even worth considering unless you have nothing else to push and are too low for baron. (Even then you probably should consider healing.)

On a related note soloing Dragon is a free 190 gold around this time as well if both teams are not really doing anything exciting
FADC
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 12 2011 17:12 GMT
#20765
On July 13 2011 02:08 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 01:53 Mogwai wrote:
On July 13 2011 01:49 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I of course still have a long way to go, but I am far above the ~ 1100 elo that I am currently at. I understand last hitting, team compositions, wards, and have reasonably good decision making. A lot of people that I play with are like you described.

you're saying you're far above the 1100 elo that you're at but then you're also going into the Jarman thread and saying that Irelia ruins him in lane. I'm guessing you're much worse mechanically than you think you are.

Its not like I can look at people I play with and learn from them, right? ^_^

I'm quite sure that I'm worse than I say by the standards of people on here, but I'm trying to take in as much knowledge as I can. Pro streams I don't find very useful since most of them don't comment on their play as much as starcraft players do.

Do you guys play much in liquidparty, or not? Every time I go in there people generally idle, but I'd love to get a game or two in with people here to tell me how shitty I am. ^_^


On June 29 2011 03:41 Southlight wrote:
I have serial commitment issues and tend to get bored really fast, but if anyone looking for help wants to upload a replay or something I can try to look through a couple and point some stuff out.

I'm notoriously bad at pointing things out/giving advice during games no matter how relaxed because competitive spirit takes over and I tend to be looking at/thinking about a dozen things at once and end up giving terse, sharp remarks instead of being helpful :x

oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 17:25:20
July 12 2011 17:24 GMT
#20766
On June 29 2011 03:41 Southlight wrote:
I have serial commitment issues and tend to get bored really fast, but if anyone looking for help wants to upload a replay or something I can try to look through a couple and point some stuff out.

I'm notoriously bad at pointing things out/giving advice during games no matter how relaxed because competitive spirit takes over and I tend to be looking at/thinking about a dozen things at once and end up giving terse, sharp remarks instead of being helpful :x

I'm the same when I play with lower level friends. I still actually haven't been able to get them to understand the importance of only last hitting. Their only argument: "but if I autoattack constantly I'll get more hits than trying to time it properly". I've given up trying to get them to understand.

I'll post a replay here if I ever get away from work today. TL keeping me sane. ^_^
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 12 2011 17:49 GMT
#20767
On July 13 2011 02:24 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I'm the same when I play with lower level friends. I still actually haven't been able to get them to understand the importance of only last hitting. Their only argument: "but if I autoattack constantly I'll get more hits than trying to time it properly". I've given up trying to get them to understand.

What's the purpose of last hitting apart getting gold and not pushing the lane ?
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 12 2011 18:06 GMT
#20768
On July 13 2011 02:49 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 02:24 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I'm the same when I play with lower level friends. I still actually haven't been able to get them to understand the importance of only last hitting. Their only argument: "but if I autoattack constantly I'll get more hits than trying to time it properly". I've given up trying to get them to understand.

What's the purpose of last hitting apart getting gold and not pushing the lane ?

That's what I mean. They AA creeps constantly, get less cs than they would by just last hitting, push the lane like mad, and rage when they get ganked by a jungle.

It's not a big deal, at level 7 games there are few things done right.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 12 2011 18:12 GMT
#20769
On July 13 2011 02:24 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 03:41 Southlight wrote:
I have serial commitment issues and tend to get bored really fast, but if anyone looking for help wants to upload a replay or something I can try to look through a couple and point some stuff out.

I'm notoriously bad at pointing things out/giving advice during games no matter how relaxed because competitive spirit takes over and I tend to be looking at/thinking about a dozen things at once and end up giving terse, sharp remarks instead of being helpful :x

I'm the same when I play with lower level friends. I still actually haven't been able to get them to understand the importance of only last hitting. Their only argument: "but if I autoattack constantly I'll get more hits than trying to time it properly". I've given up trying to get them to understand.

I'll post a replay here if I ever get away from work today. TL keeping me sane. ^_^

But if I push lane I get more xp faster and I ding faster!
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 18:15:07
July 12 2011 18:14 GMT
#20770
Orianna + janna combo is getting really annoying, especially because you can't really ignite shields so you always get full protection.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 18:16:40
July 12 2011 18:15 GMT
#20771
I favor pushing lane at level 1 to ding 2 faster and crush them :p

On July 13 2011 03:14 0123456789 wrote:
Orianna + janna combo is getting really annoying, especially because you can't really ignite shields so you always get full protection.


Hmm hero swap for the ghetto support nukers team... swap Morgana for Ori and run Karm/Ori/Jarv/Ezreal+Sona

Profit
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 18:18:26
July 12 2011 18:18 GMT
#20772
On July 13 2011 03:14 0123456789 wrote:
Orianna + janna combo is getting really annoying, especially because you can't really ignite shields so you always get full protection.


Played a game with shen, janna, lee sin, karma, and trist (before orianna was released)

Needless to say SOMEONE IN TROUBLE NEED MORE SHIELDS

Shield Team is a new troll comp i wanna try

EDIT:
ALSO!
http://runeterra.com/forums/index.php?topic=1137.0

Excellent RUNE GUIDE! (not mine)
FADC
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 12 2011 18:21 GMT
#20773
pushing lanes early is underrated. I try to explain this shit while I'm streaming, so I'll shamelessly plug that people should watch my stream so that they can learn LoL.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 18:26:00
July 12 2011 18:23 GMT
#20774
Its a bit old, so the rankings at the top are off. Other than that the general principle is good.

If whoever wants to put the rune guide together wants to message me I can pass along the Jungle rune guides for champs I have found work the best.


On July 13 2011 03:21 Mogwai wrote:
pushing lanes early is underrated. I try to explain this shit while I'm streaming, so I'll shamelessly plug that people should watch my stream so that they can learn LoL.


Agree. I love nothing better than forcing an enemy onto tower pre 4 because A) most junglers cant gank until about 4:30-5 minutes so you can deny easy last hits safely, B) having a ton of creeps on your side means that enemy harass is extremely dangerous since your minions can kill them and C) the enemy tower means that as soon as you let pressure up the lane will automatically swing back in your favor, opening the enemy up for ganks by your jungle.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 18:31:34
July 12 2011 18:28 GMT
#20775
On July 13 2011 03:18 rwrzr wrote:
EDIT:
ALSO!
http://runeterra.com/forums/index.php?topic=1137.0

Excellent RUNE GUIDE! (not mine)

Also very out of date. I think that guide predates even the ArPen rune nerf/AD rune buff.

With regard to pushing lane--if you can push the lane hard, it's probably the best way to stalemate against "strong" laners that you would otherwise lose to (e.g. Lanewick/Lanedyr), because they're slow at pushing it back. At low levels they can't hurt you too hard if you build up a creep advantage, they'll lose CS to tower, and you'll get an opening to bluepill and buy, letting you hopefully get an item advantage.
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rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
July 12 2011 18:43 GMT
#20776
On July 13 2011 03:28 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 03:18 rwrzr wrote:
EDIT:
ALSO!
http://runeterra.com/forums/index.php?topic=1137.0

Excellent RUNE GUIDE! (not mine)

Also very out of date. I think that guide predates even the ArPen rune nerf/AD rune buff.

With regard to pushing lane--if you can push the lane hard, it's probably the best way to stalemate against "strong" laners that you would otherwise lose to (e.g. Lanewick/Lanedyr), because they're slow at pushing it back. At low levels they can't hurt you too hard if you build up a creep advantage, they'll lose CS to tower, and you'll get an opening to bluepill and buy, letting you hopefully get an item advantage.



WHOA BRAH its an old guide (Last update Feb/2011) But it DOES have the ArPen nerf AND the AD buff.

HOWEVER your inability to check and incorrectness isn't the point :D

All of the information is still relevant and useful.


FADC
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 18:47:42
July 12 2011 18:45 GMT
#20777
best thing about that rune guide is that flat AD quints haven't even been buffed and they're sitting in D tier while everyone is using them. Note that Locicero has actually been doing this forever on Pantheon so everyone should dickride him for being like 8 months ahead of the meta.

EDIT: it's also pre-mana regen changes and is all out of whack with that and also lists AD Seals as the worst seal when, again, many carries are running them right now.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 12 2011 18:45 GMT
#20778
Meh at best. The ordering is off. Top runes are still top runes, but there are no longer any S class runes imo. Maybe mpen reds for casters. Other than that pretty much anything is acceptable if you have a reason for it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17265 Posts
July 12 2011 18:48 GMT
#20779
On July 13 2011 02:49 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 02:24 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I'm the same when I play with lower level friends. I still actually haven't been able to get them to understand the importance of only last hitting. Their only argument: "but if I autoattack constantly I'll get more hits than trying to time it properly". I've given up trying to get them to understand.

What's the purpose of last hitting apart getting gold and not pushing the lane ?

?

How else are you gonna have #1 damage dealt at end of game?
twitch.tv/cratonz
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 19:11:31
July 12 2011 19:11 GMT
#20780
On July 13 2011 03:45 Mogwai wrote:
best thing about that rune guide is that flat AD quints haven't even been buffed and they're sitting in D tier while everyone is using them. Note that Locicero has actually been doing this forever on Pantheon so everyone should dickride him for being like 8 months ahead of the meta.

EDIT: it's also pre-mana regen changes and is all out of whack with that and also lists AD Seals as the worst seal when, again, many carries are running them right now.

Heart of gold change, aegis being acknowledged as a fucking worthless item, triforce buff.
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