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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 12 2011 09:18 GMT
#20721
On July 12 2011 18:07 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 18:03 spinesheath wrote:
On July 12 2011 17:47 Shiragaku wrote:
Quick question guys...
Should there ever be a support and a mage together in a lane?

There is nothing speaking against it. Just recently I saw a Taric Brand lane demolish - wait, let me say that louder: DEMOLISH Ashe Sona in some CLG vs whoever I think.
It depends on all 10 picks, it definitely can be good.

Having a lvl 11 mage is better than having a lvl 11 carry tho.

Cool, and why does that matter?
Hint 1: There is no rule that forces you to take a ranged AD.
Hint 2: There are ranged ADs which are great around level 11 if they had a solo lane because of their spells: Ashe and Corki for example.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
July 12 2011 09:28 GMT
#20722
Do you add the ad and ap damage or just pick the highest on skills that benefit from both?
Serious Business
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 09:58:18
July 12 2011 09:43 GMT
#20723
On July 12 2011 18:18 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 18:07 JackDino wrote:
On July 12 2011 18:03 spinesheath wrote:
On July 12 2011 17:47 Shiragaku wrote:
Quick question guys...
Should there ever be a support and a mage together in a lane?

There is nothing speaking against it. Just recently I saw a Taric Brand lane demolish - wait, let me say that louder: DEMOLISH Ashe Sona in some CLG vs whoever I think.
It depends on all 10 picks, it definitely can be good.

Having a lvl 11 mage is better than having a lvl 11 carry tho.

Cool, and why does that matter?
Hint 1: There is no rule that forces you to take a ranged AD.
Hint 2: There are ranged ADs which are great around level 11 if they had a solo lane because of their spells: Ashe and Corki for example.

Because lvl 11 mage makes big boom while lvl 11 carry doesn't make a big boom, ie having a lvl 11 annie and lvl 10 ashe would benefit you so much more in fights instead of having a lvl 11 ashe and lvl 10 annie.
There's also no rule that forces you to take a support, nor is there a rule that enforces you to have duo bot instead of top, nor is there a rule that enforces you to sound like a douche while responding.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 12 2011 10:28 GMT
#20724
On July 12 2011 18:43 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 18:18 spinesheath wrote:
On July 12 2011 18:07 JackDino wrote:
On July 12 2011 18:03 spinesheath wrote:
On July 12 2011 17:47 Shiragaku wrote:
Quick question guys...
Should there ever be a support and a mage together in a lane?

There is nothing speaking against it. Just recently I saw a Taric Brand lane demolish - wait, let me say that louder: DEMOLISH Ashe Sona in some CLG vs whoever I think.
It depends on all 10 picks, it definitely can be good.

Having a lvl 11 mage is better than having a lvl 11 carry tho.

Cool, and why does that matter?
Hint 1: There is no rule that forces you to take a ranged AD.
Hint 2: There are ranged ADs which are great around level 11 if they had a solo lane because of their spells: Ashe and Corki for example.

Because lvl 11 mage makes big boom while lvl 11 carry doesn't make a big boom, ie having a lvl 11 annie and lvl 10 ashe would benefit you so much more in fights instead of having a lvl 11 ashe and lvl 10 annie.
There's also no rule that forces you to take a support, nor is there a rule that enforces you to have duo bot instead of top, nor is there a rule that enforces you to sound like a douche while responding.

Ok I'll be a bit more elaborate why "lvl 11 mage is better than lvl 11 carry" is nonsense:
Corki, Ashe, Kog Maw, Tristana, Cait, Ezreal all have quite the respectable lvl 11 burst. 425 AoE damage on Ashe Arrow is no joke. A rank 2 Big One HURTS.
The small advantage you might get from getting solo XP and farm on a ranged DPS might be just what you need against a Singed or Udyr, while a mage might still not do enough against those.
Against a team of Cho, Malz, Soraka etc, mages are doomed. Silenced into oblivion.

The point is: under "normal" circumstances, it might be desireable to have casters in solo lanes. Sometimes though, you want someone else there.

And now going back to the original question, having a caster + support bottom lane: This never excluded also having casters mid and/or top. Even if what you said was true, it had no relevance in this case.

Here's also why I don't like statements like yours: Precisely because of these vast overgeneralizations people get stuck in "metagames" and avoid any sort of logic thinking about things that could be done better. I pretty much moved from EU to US because it was impossible to play anything other than bottom lane with ranged ADs even when that was just utter nonsense with the current picks.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 12 2011 10:55 GMT
#20725
On July 12 2011 19:28 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 18:43 JackDino wrote:
On July 12 2011 18:18 spinesheath wrote:
On July 12 2011 18:07 JackDino wrote:
On July 12 2011 18:03 spinesheath wrote:
On July 12 2011 17:47 Shiragaku wrote:
Quick question guys...
Should there ever be a support and a mage together in a lane?

There is nothing speaking against it. Just recently I saw a Taric Brand lane demolish - wait, let me say that louder: DEMOLISH Ashe Sona in some CLG vs whoever I think.
It depends on all 10 picks, it definitely can be good.

Having a lvl 11 mage is better than having a lvl 11 carry tho.

Cool, and why does that matter?
Hint 1: There is no rule that forces you to take a ranged AD.
Hint 2: There are ranged ADs which are great around level 11 if they had a solo lane because of their spells: Ashe and Corki for example.

Because lvl 11 mage makes big boom while lvl 11 carry doesn't make a big boom, ie having a lvl 11 annie and lvl 10 ashe would benefit you so much more in fights instead of having a lvl 11 ashe and lvl 10 annie.
There's also no rule that forces you to take a support, nor is there a rule that enforces you to have duo bot instead of top, nor is there a rule that enforces you to sound like a douche while responding.

Ok I'll be a bit more elaborate why "lvl 11 mage is better than lvl 11 carry" is nonsense:
Corki, Ashe, Kog Maw, Tristana, Cait, Ezreal all have quite the respectable lvl 11 burst. 425 AoE damage on Ashe Arrow is no joke. A rank 2 Big One HURTS.
The small advantage you might get from getting solo XP and farm on a ranged DPS might be just what you need against a Singed or Udyr, while a mage might still not do enough against those.
Against a team of Cho, Malz, Soraka etc, mages are doomed. Silenced into oblivion.

The point is: under "normal" circumstances, it might be desireable to have casters in solo lanes. Sometimes though, you want someone else there.

And now going back to the original question, having a caster + support bottom lane: This never excluded also having casters mid and/or top. Even if what you said was true, it had no relevance in this case.

Here's also why I don't like statements like yours: Precisely because of these vast overgeneralizations people get stuck in "metagames" and avoid any sort of logic thinking about things that could be done better. I pretty much moved from EU to US because it was impossible to play anything other than bottom lane with ranged ADs even when that was just utter nonsense with the current picks.

I merely said having a higher lvl mage generally is better than having a higher lvl carry, I never said OMFG NEVER EVER HAVE MAGE BOT ARE YOU CRAZY, way to go reading what you like to read and not what's actually there.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
July 12 2011 11:48 GMT
#20726
Generally, I agree with JackDino on this matter. I don't think there's anymore reason to be all up in his shit about it...
Everyone needs a nemesis.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 12:11:23
July 12 2011 12:11 GMT
#20727
I always figured the reason you want the mage solo is that they absolutely crush the midgame with ganks towerdives and jungle invasions that ranged ad can't really do since they don't have the burst damage or crowd control.

If you can have a mage crush their bot lane I don't see any reason not so have another mage and bruiser or double bruiser solo and just win the game before their ranged carry gets to be that useful. Or just have a ranged ad solo but I've never really been a big fan of that considering how easily they are killed if their overall team wasn't such a big threat that's it's hard to go for the ranged ad.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
July 12 2011 12:56 GMT
#20728
I got my first ever leave today, due to power outage in the middle of the game... electrics company real terror.
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
July 12 2011 13:47 GMT
#20729
Anyone know whether the rewards are likely to be based off your current or top rating ?
capnspiff46
Profile Joined October 2010
United States49 Posts
July 12 2011 14:16 GMT
#20730
In most games it is based on current rating when a season ends.
LoL: Brouk
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
July 12 2011 14:24 GMT
#20731
I just realised my current ELO (1139, dropped a bunch from yesterday's shitfest with my friend) is just a reorganisation of my top ELO that I had yesterday (1391).
Thought it was pretty funny.

Also, Maokai going 8/0 against a Cass (and a fiddlesticks, but he is irrelivant atm) lane. Cassieopia free week, amiright?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
July 12 2011 14:47 GMT
#20732
On July 12 2011 23:24 57 Corvette wrote:
I just realised my current ELO (1139, dropped a bunch from yesterday's shitfest with my friend) is just a reorganisation of my top ELO that I had yesterday (1391).
Thought it was pretty funny.

Also, Maokai going 8/0 against a Cass (and a fiddlesticks, but he is irrelivant atm) lane. Cassieopia free week, amiright?


maybe tomorrow you'll get up to 1931???
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
July 12 2011 14:51 GMT
#20733
On July 12 2011 22:47 rob.au wrote:
Anyone know whether the rewards are likely to be based off your current or top rating ?


No one knows, but top rating would be kinda silly in a 1+ year long season.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
July 12 2011 14:56 GMT
#20734
lol, I like how riot prolongs their season because they do not have the capacity to store all the info yet for ladder. Just buying time, but ranked will probably last at least 6 months more.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 12 2011 15:01 GMT
#20735
On July 12 2011 23:56 0123456789 wrote:
lol, I like how riot prolongs their season because they do not have the capacity to store all the info yet for ladder. Just buying time, but ranked will probably last at least 6 months more.

I highly doubt that's why they're prolonging the season. If I had to guess, they want to launch season 2 with a big feature (probably obs and/or replays) and are just buying time until said feature is completed.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 15:04:45
July 12 2011 15:01 GMT
#20736
On July 13 2011 00:01 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 23:56 0123456789 wrote:
lol, I like how riot prolongs their season because they do not have the capacity to store all the info yet for ladder. Just buying time, but ranked will probably last at least 6 months more.

I highly doubt that's why they're prolonging the season. If I had to guess, they want to launch season 2 with a big feature (probably obs and/or replays) and are just buying time until said feature is completed.


I had this info a pretty long time before they announced that they would be prolonging it from scy. He told me this was credible information from riot employees. 6 months is just my personal estimate, but I think it's going to take a while.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 12 2011 15:10 GMT
#20737
Stop making me tempted to actually try to raise my rating in solo q :[
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
July 12 2011 15:11 GMT
#20738
On July 13 2011 00:10 Southlight wrote:
Stop making me tempted to actually try to raise my rating in solo q :[


You get a cool prize. What's better than that. I want to be platinum=(. Bet they get a platinum limited skin, that only around 50 or so people will get.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 12 2011 15:12 GMT
#20739
Reidan too busy reading homo slashfics in my thread to win go4lols true story.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
July 12 2011 15:17 GMT
#20740
I guess the rewards will be skins but its kinda lame if you get one for a champ you never play
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