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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 16:53:00
February 17 2016 16:49 GMT
#1621
On February 17 2016 22:59 Leolio wrote:
Yes, my rule is sorta dumb.
But at my smurf account's level (rank 9 or so now) if you pick Abathur you have to be way better than the current level to really make a difference so you take full responsibility on this. You have to be aware people are not used to play with Abathur, you have to be the shotcaller, to push, to contribute to fights... in more than 2k games I probably only played with 3 or 4 good Abathurs. Picking him will trouble your whole team. But that's not the whole point. Picking Abathur is not a fault.
BUT if you make your team all in by picking Abathur (or Cho Gall, or double healer, or no healer, or no warrior) AGAINST the will of the team (so you were a dick in draft) you deserve to get reported. If you play against your team you deserve to be banned in my book.

ThomasjServo > wow thanks for the information. I had 2 games with muted people today (fuck me) and I didn't notice at all.
It gets cute when they start spam pinging you in game because they can't talk. :D


I've recently made a fresh Abathur-only account. It's really not the right hero if your team doesn't know how to play around that pick, he relies far too much on your team keeping the opponents busy and when they constantly die then there is nothing you can do. I did do some fancy Dragon Knight stealing though and luring opponents into 10+ mines and locust swarms is fun.
I found it surprising how many actually new players I found in the lower levels. I've had many games where I was accused of being AFK. I usually try to explain how Abathur works ("I'm in two places at the same time", "Look for the head above people, that's me", ...), but some people just don't want to see the light and keep complaining.

On February 17 2016 23:43 MotherFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 20:19 Leolio wrote:
Monkey is not racist at all.


In the US there is a history of using the term "monkey" to denigrate specific demographics. (African Americans) But, in the context of the EU server I'm inclined to agree that it wouldn't be taken(or intended) as a racist term.


Monkey is racist. It's "Ape", not Monkey.
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 20:31:37
February 17 2016 20:30 GMT
#1622
My Raynor has got to be seriously cursed or something.
He is supposed to be one the easiest heroes to play and yet I have an abysmal 11% win rate with him.
No idea what I'm doing wrong with him but every single time it just feels like the target just runs away or I get blown up instantly. I can play much harder heroes without any such issues. For some reason going AA Valla works ten times better.

I used to go triple stun build vs setups that had no warrior (QM) or just one (that wasn't Stitches, Diablo or Cho'Gall) where you get Confident Aim, Double Barreled and Bullseye so you can get three stuns off if you land the first two Q shots.
Figured that would be much nicer against mage/caster setups since you have some burst and you can stun them multiple times. But I wasn't winning any games so I defaulted to the AA build. Still no luck.

Am I just missing something? I always go Hyperion, should I go Banshees? I use Raynor's range to stay at a distance, should I be right on top of the enemy? You'd think kiting Marines against Banelings in TvZ would help with kiting with Raynor but for some reason nearly every game with Raynor ends with a loss and my damage just doesn't end up being near the highest, which is what I usually see from him when others play him and win.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Hellonslaught
Profile Joined June 2014
Brazil0 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-18 13:18:40
February 18 2016 13:00 GMT
#1623
Imo, you should always go banshee unless:
1- Map has a channeling objective that can be disrupted by imperion (Cursed Hollow, Blackheart's Bay, etc)
2- Your team has tons of AOE

If you are way better with Valla then Raynor i am almost sure its due positional mistakes.

Watch some competitve games where Raynor was picked and pay attention to positional circumstances, where his allies are at all times (especially the support) and who is he aiming at.

Ask questions like: "why is he doing that?" or "would this work in my games" and you are all set to improve as Raynor.
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Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-18 13:52:08
February 18 2016 13:37 GMT
#1624
On February 18 2016 01:49 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 23:43 MotherFox wrote:
On February 17 2016 20:19 Leolio wrote:
Monkey is not racist at all.


In the US there is a history of using the term "monkey" to denigrate specific demographics. (African Americans) But, in the context of the EU server I'm inclined to agree that it wouldn't be taken(or intended) as a racist term.


Monkey is racist. It's "Ape", not Monkey.


OOooooook.

I feel they did a good job with this patch, but Rehming are still dominating. Got 3 Rehmings out of 3 games which is still a lot. Won 2, lost 1. Reghar has better stats than me he won all 3 games. I always felt his ultimate was OP but he sucked, now that he doesn't suck anymore his ultimate is probably too powerful. Maybe they should delay the healing 0,5 secs more ? I know it's a lot and it's already possible to counter it, but giving that sonya a free health bar is really punishing.
edit: Li Ming lost 2 of these 3 games BTW.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
February 18 2016 14:05 GMT
#1625
On February 18 2016 05:30 Thezzy wrote:
My Raynor has got to be seriously cursed or something.
He is supposed to be one the easiest heroes to play and yet I have an abysmal 11% win rate with him.
No idea what I'm doing wrong with him but every single time it just feels like the target just runs away or I get blown up instantly. I can play much harder heroes without any such issues. For some reason going AA Valla works ten times better.

I used to go triple stun build vs setups that had no warrior (QM) or just one (that wasn't Stitches, Diablo or Cho'Gall) where you get Confident Aim, Double Barreled and Bullseye so you can get three stuns off if you land the first two Q shots.
Figured that would be much nicer against mage/caster setups since you have some burst and you can stun them multiple times. But I wasn't winning any games so I defaulted to the AA build. Still no luck.

Am I just missing something? I always go Hyperion, should I go Banshees? I use Raynor's range to stay at a distance, should I be right on top of the enemy? You'd think kiting Marines against Banelings in TvZ would help with kiting with Raynor but for some reason nearly every game with Raynor ends with a loss and my damage just doesn't end up being near the highest, which is what I usually see from him when others play him and win.


I'm Rank 2 with a 63% win rate on Raynor (61% if you count QM), so take the following how ever you want:
The secret to doing well with Raynor is using Revolution Overdrive on level 7 correctly. During teamfights it gives you a 30% movement speed bonus, which allows you to get your damage in much more reliably. Targets can't run away while you can kite anyone who tries to attack you. It makes it easier to dodge skillshots when you are a bit deeper in the fight and you can pop in and out of range of the enemy damage dealers whenever you like.

I generally stay a bit further back and make sure to melt the enemy tanks as fast as possible so my team is free to clear up the enemy squishies, though whenever possible I take pot shots on any softer target. Raynor is amazing at melting tanks and once the main tank is gone the enemy team usually scatters and gets destroyed. It depends on the enemy composition through.

I dislike Banshees since Hyperion gives so much more zone control and can keep opponents out of the fight. Use it after the enemy engaged, so they can't just wait it out. Enemies usually hesitate before stepping into the circle, so you have a few seconds where the enemy engager is effectively alone and can be killed easily.

The triple stun build sounds nice in theory, but it's only good when your team mates can follow up. It reduces your damage by ~25% compared to the AA build and in my opinion the burst just isn't worth the much higher consistent damage from auto attacks.

Also, make sure to stay on top of the seasoned marksman stacks. 2 stacks per minute is the rule of thumb.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 18 2016 14:40 GMT
#1626
lost to a 1st pick chogall after some infuriately baffling draft choices on my team
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Hellonslaught
Profile Joined June 2014
Brazil0 Posts
February 18 2016 15:31 GMT
#1627
On February 18 2016 23:05 Morfildur wrote:
I dislike Banshees since Hyperion gives so much more zone control and can keep opponents out of the fight. Use it after the enemy engaged, so they can't just wait it out. Enemies usually hesitate before stepping into the circle, so you have a few seconds where the enemy engager is effectively alone and can be killed easily.
This is true when both teams knows how to play and i agree Hyperion is usually the optimal choice there.
For example, in lower ranks, i believe Banshee is better because small skirmishes happens more often then teamfights and Raynor needs to fend for himself. A good Banshee ultimate can force a squishy out of a fight even before he deals any damage or discourage an assassin to go after you.

Agree with everything else Morfildur, great tips.

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Hellonslaught
Profile Joined June 2014
Brazil0 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-18 15:48:27
February 18 2016 15:41 GMT
#1628
One more thing: Raynor AA build is better when the enemy tank can't be ignored or if your team knows how to protect you.
Triple Stun build works better alongside Banshee vs squishy teams.
Priest
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-18 22:18:25
February 18 2016 18:00 GMT
#1629
It very much saddens me when

1) I get matched up with players that are clearly far below my skill level and I'm expected to carry the game
2) I get matched up in games of my own level / where I'm lower compared to others, and people keep throwing the game by making basic level mistakes over and over. (Not soaking / chasing one man down / fighting a talent tier down etc.)

E: I honestly just don't understand this anymore. Can someone explain me how players/humans at 3000-3500 MMR make decisions much more questionable than babies stuffing the blocks into their mouth instead of the holes?

Like we're talking about people who are supposed to be around top 1% / high level players making absolutely mindblowingly stupid mistakes such as a lili chasing people 1v5 and dying 8 times in 12 minutes. Every single game I have at least one or two of these, and I've tried being nice and giving them tips on what to do but I just don't have the patience for that anymore.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 19 2016 00:35 GMT
#1630
Goddamn. Just had two games in a row where I had a Kael on my team who did literally nothing but feed the other team. So fucking bad. How are these fucking morons at rank 1.
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
February 19 2016 09:38 GMT
#1631
On February 19 2016 09:35 xDaunt wrote:
Goddamn. Just had two games in a row where I had a Kael on my team who did literally nothing but feed the other team. So fucking bad. How are these fucking morons at rank 1.

I swear almost everytime I have a KT or a Jaina on my team I have to ask them to position safely all game. The guy strolls on the enemy side of the map, no visibility, with our warrior behind, like there's no opponents at all.
They often end up actually position better after dying 4 or 5 times uselessly and I mention it to them. Probably the only time where "coaching a teammate" actually works.
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland764 Posts
February 19 2016 10:58 GMT
#1632
On February 19 2016 09:35 xDaunt wrote:
Goddamn. Just had two games in a row where I had a Kael on my team who did literally nothing but feed the other team. So fucking bad. How are these fucking morons at rank 1.

Kael = still EZmode
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Best // Rush =-
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
February 19 2016 11:04 GMT
#1633
I haven't won a game in 2 days. The things I've seen...
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 12:32:14
February 19 2016 12:23 GMT
#1634
On February 19 2016 09:35 xDaunt wrote:
Goddamn. Just had two games in a row where I had a Kael on my team who did literally nothing but feed the other team. So fucking bad. How are these fucking morons at rank 1.


TL is full of posts of Rhegar/LiMing carrying people high up in the ranks. Doubt they were the only ones to do that .
Had fun playing against LiMing, now its back to Kael where you just have stay out of his Ignite range and bait him into death.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 19 2016 22:48 GMT
#1635
On February 19 2016 09:35 xDaunt wrote:
Goddamn. Just had two games in a row where I had a Kael on my team who did literally nothing but feed the other team. So fucking bad. How are these fucking morons at rank 1.

First game today. What do I get? Another feeder Kael on my team. FFS.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 03:50:59
February 21 2016 03:47 GMT
#1636
185 games played, rank 3.
What?

100% ruined my game.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 21 2016 20:27 GMT
#1637
so healing wards do not get destroyed by aoe spells but they do get destroyed by mortar punishers? wtf blizzard wtf
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 20:38:30
February 21 2016 20:37 GMT
#1638
On February 21 2016 12:47 Foxxan wrote:
185 games played, rank 3.
What?

100% ruined my game.

There is so much wrong with MMR in this game....

I play R1 Heroleague (got there solo!) but I'm exactly in the MMR hell of QM MMR, it's ridiculous. Hots is my first Moba and I learned playing it in QM. I still enjoy QM to play less than perfect heroes or try stuff out, but man, I'm up there with the people that call gg in 2 minutes, or don't know what an objective is, or start flaming at first death, etcetera. It's ridiculous.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-22 09:01:49
February 22 2016 09:00 GMT
#1639
Had a really strange HL game where I queued with a friend and we ended up with 3 entirely new players to HL, all solo queue.
No rank and upon closer expection all of them under 100 games played. As one might expect, they played horribly.
One of them had KT and was doing less damage than my friend playing Malfurion. Funny bit, he complained about getting ganked when he was frontlining constantly and didn't take Arcane Barrier.

Now I don't have a problem with new players (we were all new at some point) but why are they in a game with me and my friend who have over 2000+ games put together? We think the reason was that on the enemy team there was one single new player who picked Nova that also didn't have too many games and she was grouped with a ranked player. Maybe the matchmaker thought it had to balance that out and then overdid it. Bit sad because we had the vastly superior composition but lost because our teammates had no clue how to play their heroes.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
February 22 2016 09:57 GMT
#1640
Zeratul has a problem. A serious one. He's exactly where Nova was pre-rework except that he has better survivability, better sustain damage, better escape and a game changing ultimate. His only downside is he is melee (even though he has a ranged spell).
I was in HL saturday, was defending our no-forts-no-keeps-mid-lane with Nova (yes, that's a sad story already) while checking for the cloak shimmer as, if I were him, I'd go kill that Nova. He doesn't come during the time I'm there and trust me I checked a lot and it was long. But then I just blink on my map to ask for teammates to start grouping and I'm dead. In less than 2 seconds. It's my fault as I should have backed somewhere safer to type but come on he's the new Nova, except the guy's on steroids.

So, that was a problem with Nova but it's OK with Zeratul ? That's some serious sexism here. I'm going to switch to him, I was pretty decent with Zera until I decided 1 cloaked hero was enough.

Our tanks never protected Ming or me even though he was so obvious, like walking along us, me pinging and my teammates ignoring it. All game. I died 10 fucking times, I think I never died as much in a HL game with Nova.

We won because the new Nova's definitely strong at level 16. So we were crushed all game, won a teamfight around level 20 thanks to Nova's level 16 and Ming's insane level 20 and won the game. We didn't deserve to win at all but that's not the main concern here.

Zeratul's the new Nova and that sucks.
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