EPTThey dived us all the time, KT wouldn't stay in the back
What could we do ? Maybe we yolo dive Tyrande ?
Like nothing? Oh, maybe give up?
QQ/Rage Thread. - Page 71
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Like nothing? Oh, maybe give up? | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On January 06 2016 07:00 Ghostcom wrote: I'll join the club, though I'm down to rank 13... 15... | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On January 08 2016 18:35 Leolio wrote: Thezzy: Honestly I hate double specs teams. And I hate having Sylvanas on the team, she's too weak right now, especially since there isn't Mines anymore. Diablo can top damage now, but Zagara have to be really close imo, else she doesn't do her job in fights. I can really see double cloak being powerful on Pirate, it's one of my best maps with Nova, by far. Ryzel: I hate playing with people who think they have better things to do than to play with the team. They often make us lose. Lost to a 3 warriors team yesterday, and we really felt powerless. Not any 3 warriors team, like with Valla or Raynor AA our asses. No, 3 warriors Tyrande Nova. How can Nova even work on this team ?! They pick Nova first, our 1st player goes KT. Well, another idiot, HL is full of it. But at the end of the draft I was pretty confident it'd be an easy win. http://www.hotslogs.com/Replays/ShareReplay?ReplayShareID=14357 We won all fights before 10 (2 levels lead), and then Shadowstalk + Sanctification + 3 tank dive sealed our fate. They dived us all the time, KT wouldn't stay in the back, so we lost every fight. And our partners wouldn't stop focusing Artanis because he always looks like he's about to die until shield-shield-shield-shield and shiiiiieeeeld. ETC never landed a pogo (what did you expect vs Tyrande dude?). Kharazim felt pretty useless. What could we do ? Maybe we yolo dive Tyrande ? We kite them (would have worked without noob KT) ? I was Raynor, and didn't play extremely well but at least I tried to stay in the back in fights. I should have picked banshees I guess (while 3 warriors dive us, Diablo + Banshees on Tyrande or Nova may have worked). Well I'm a Sylv main, so I'm biased. But I do have a 64% win rate with her in HL, winning more games with her than any other. Vast majority of the time people simply don't know how to play her to her fullest potential - aka a shit ton of damage, mobility, push potential, and a mother silence. Imo she's the best specialist in the game. As for your game, the composition's issue I would say wasn't KT's fault, but the tanks. Muradin is the obvious choice. ETC isn't bad, but obviously Tyrande has to be out of the equation - either pick her or mosh on her. ETC's build was pretty weird. I don't rate Diablo that much for a large map with 3 tanks on the other team - you want him on small maps where you can rotate and gank easily. If I were in your shoes, and our team had picked Muradin (as soon as I was seeing 2 warriors I would have been screaming for Muradin, let alone 3) I wouldn't have gone Bullseye either - it's a great talent but I'm not sure how much utility that stun gets except for picking Nova/Tyrande - which relies on you not being zoned out by their tanks. I would have gone Executioner. Muradin's double W = one hell of a lot of bonus damage. Means that in a level 20 fight you would have 41.5% bonus damage with 30% bonus attack speed with inspire and nexus frenzy. You'd utterly melt tanks affected by it. Well, you'd melt anyone affected by it. Other builds - Kharazim is a great choice with that heroic pick. I dunno what Tyrael was doing with the Even in Death pick considering he didn't go Holy Ground (the only synergy I can really think of). Tyrande's first two choices were very strange for a solo supp build. So I'd put it down to poor warrior choice and poor engagements/play. - As for my own moment of rage, I'm getting so sick of playing with some of my friends. They're simply hopeless. They get stroppy with me when I get frustrated at their bad play, so I can't say anything when they do something stupid. We simply lose over and over. >_> | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On January 07 2016 05:54 xDaunt wrote: Any Abathur player who takes Evolve Monstrosity in Hero League or any other serious game should be forced to forfeit the hero and lose all rights to play Abathur ever again. I sometimes play a Symbiote build (usually on an Illidan) where I go Evolve Monstrosity, since I'm going to be using my Symbiote in battles. Haven't played that in a while though, with all the stuns. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On January 07 2016 11:11 Larkin wrote: I had an Aba the other day who had 300 xp contribution when they hit level 10. We had just hit level 8. I wonder why. I must have told him at least 10 times, with pings, to soak while we contested the objective. No response. He may as well have been afk. For sure one of my biggest issues with the EU server - you come across a lot of people who simply do not speak English to a capable degree and consequently don't understand team chatter. Not always a big deal - but can be vitally important. The first time I noticed these issues was when they implemented the mute your team mates in a team game popup at the beginning of a game. Since then the amount of ignore everything happening players have risen in numbers. Actually to a degree that its possible you meet some of those on rank 1. Simply because they drag good players down that will at some point carry the very same people up again. Stupid 50% system .... It should get better in a few month though. Just stop wanting Matchmaking system changes. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
3levels ahead+1talent. We are doing great, we accidently forget to pick up the terror so it dies but our opponent take it. Thats not it tho at all. Who cares, just continue to focus on the game. From here on we kinda die in a teamfight 0deaths for opponent, and 3 for us and here someone starts to say "we are throwing". WHY THE FUCK do you focus on shit things, just shut up and focus on the game. DOES IT HELP TO WRITE WE ARE THROWING? NOOOOOOO IT DONT. Just shut up and play. We end up losing cuz of idiot play. Getting caught, going in 3v5 and so on. Just shut up with your shit attitude and shit sentences. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
16. I'm about to quit on HL. EDIT: I have actually found that it DOES help to type "we are throwing". It will usually get people to refocus after having begun to relax due to being ahead. EDIT2: Wtf is up with all these 5-stacks in QM? Playing against my 6.th in a row. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
And don't take cleanse vs Murky. And play as if they were Muradin. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
On January 11 2016 01:23 Ej_ wrote: Uther has literally 1 build and people at rank 14 still don't know it. And don't take cleanse vs Murky. And play as if they were Muradin. It is kind of silly. When I see enemy uthers I often think "well, maybe he just doesn't know uther" and it seems to work out 90% of the time. | ||
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Talaris
Switzerland766 Posts
It's been 1 month since the biggest "balance patch" ever (a.k.a. total rework of the game) and we still didn't see any rebalancing patches... c'mon blizz, meta should be settled enough to give those 3x% winrate heroes some love ... (if not those in lower 40ies as well) | ||
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Leolio
France633 Posts
On January 09 2016 13:03 Larkin wrote: Well I'm a Sylv main, so I'm biased. But I do have a 64% win rate with her in HL, winning more games with her than any other. Vast majority of the time people simply don't know how to play her to her fullest potential - aka a shit ton of damage, mobility, push potential, and a mother silence. Imo she's the best specialist in the game. As for your game, the composition's issue I would say wasn't KT's fault, but the tanks. Muradin is the obvious choice. ETC isn't bad, but obviously Tyrande has to be out of the equation - either pick her or mosh on her. ETC's build was pretty weird. I don't rate Diablo that much for a large map with 3 tanks on the other team - you want him on small maps where you can rotate and gank easily. If I were in your shoes, and our team had picked Muradin (as soon as I was seeing 2 warriors I would have been screaming for Muradin, let alone 3) I wouldn't have gone Bullseye either - it's a great talent but I'm not sure how much utility that stun gets except for picking Nova/Tyrande - which relies on you not being zoned out by their tanks. I would have gone Executioner. Muradin's double W = one hell of a lot of bonus damage. Means that in a level 20 fight you would have 41.5% bonus damage with 30% bonus attack speed with inspire and nexus frenzy. You'd utterly melt tanks affected by it. Well, you'd melt anyone affected by it. Other builds - Kharazim is a great choice with that heroic pick. I dunno what Tyrael was doing with the Even in Death pick considering he didn't go Holy Ground (the only synergy I can really think of). Tyrande's first two choices were very strange for a solo supp build. So I'd put it down to poor warrior choice and poor engagements/play. - As for my own moment of rage, I'm getting so sick of playing with some of my friends. They're simply hopeless. They get stroppy with me when I get frustrated at their bad play, so I can't say anything when they do something stupid. We simply lose over and over. >_> Larkin, thanks for your analysis. I do think too our warriors played dumbly and didn't protect us well. I didn't play very well, I'm not a very good Raynor but I usually win with him because I only pick him when needed and I position safely. I understand the utility of executioner in this situation, I actually never thought of adapting my goto build with him. I'm a bit biaised for Sylv too as I almost never meet a good one. When I meet a good one she usually carries the game. :-) I played saturday night, and I have soooo much QQ I can't put everything down here, so let's go for a bestoff: - 2K MMR Valla (I play at roughly 2500 MMR) who is today a 1200 MMR. He only had 10 heroes. He was stuck picking Valla although it's a terrible pick for our team at this time. How can we win with a 10 hero guy whose MMR is half the required MMR to play at this level ? Free loss of course. - Another game with a not-too-bad Vikings. But he started flaming everyone for no reason (we were largely ahead) and never ever participated in a fight in a 25 minutes game. You don't pick the boat ultimate, ok I won't teach you Vikings, but at least somehow show up in fights when we have the exp lead. We lost with more structures than them. Free Loss. - Sky Temple game where 2 paired guys go Johanna and Chen. 2 warriors with 0 DPS who didn't even protect our Valla/Tyrande. If we had KT or Jaina + Valla or Raynor + Tyrande, or Hammer, I could understand. The Chen is 2k MMR, he lost 170 MMR on this game. He and Johanna lost 300 MMR during the week-end after my game. Tyrande barely ever used owl, we had to beg her to scout the boss once in a while. - Owl build Tyrande. Nuff' said. - 10+ doubloons Muradin on Pirate who roamed the entire opponent side of the map alone, from bot to top until he ended up dying like a moron. - Guys who pick ETC vs Raynor Tyrande Zagara, or 3+ 2 ranged heroes who can interrupt Mosh Pit easily. - edit: and today the last pick who started HotS 1 month ago and wanted to play healer for his quests. QUESTS IN HL ? Go to hell man. He ended up picking Illidan at the last second, and of course we lost. Worst thing is I queued with a pretty good friend, and we couldn't do much. And I only mentioned the free loss I can remember. On the other side, I've won 3 games as Thrall, all three in 12 to 16 minutes. He really feels broken. :-) | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
What happens? I get free rotation Azmodan that I've never played is what happens. Luckily I do know the globe build and we're on Tomb of the Spider Queen so atleast I have that right? Well yeah, but the matchmaker had to compensate for that supposed good fortune by granting me the most horrific teammates I've seen in a while. We are Thrall, Sylvanas, Arthas, Lunara and me as Azmo. Now Lunara is a friend of mine who I was partied with and also took Auto-Select for the lulz. He gets Lunara, who has played a grand total of once and doesn't know what build to go and I'm on Azmodan knowing the build but nothing much beyond that. The enemy team is Murky, Raynor, Azmodan, Muradin and Lunara. I figure we still have decent shot because we have decent lockdowns with Thrall and Arthas and a Sylvanas for the silence. Instead, Sylvanas just throws herself endlessy at a team where Muradin is their only real crowd control and dies an amazingly twelve fucking times. Arthas isn't any better, missing every single root and dying constantly as well. Thrall is doing better but can't compensate for it. My friend is struggling hard to play Lunara and thus we end up in a painful match where somehow I'm nearly top damage going for a globe build for the very first time without anyone to help me get stacks. We still lose eventually as Sylvanas and Arthas are constantly dead. Could've actually been a nice game and a learning experience on Azmodan, instead it turned into a painful 20 minutes where killing Murky with a globe was the best thing to happen in the whole match. Guess that'll teach me to pick Auto-Select that won't even select a support in a team that is lacking one. What is up with THAT Blizzard? EDIT: Ok, next game was equally bad. I guess if you win a few matches in a row, you are doomed to lose the next batch. We go Stitches (me) and Tyrande and we get a Cho'Gall and Tyrael. Both are absolutely horrible. Both Cho and Tyrael are doing far less damage than me as a Stitches and just suicide into the enemy team repeatedly. The enemy team Abathur is going for a random build and goes Monstrosity so I figure maybe we have a chance in a teamfight but instead Tyrael dies trying to kill a Monstrosity + minion/merc wave and as soon as he respawns he just throws himself at the enemy team again and dies instantly. Me and Tyrande just could not compensate for it. Enough for one night. Guess I should've known after winning a few games yesterday. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On January 10 2016 08:49 Ghostcom wrote: 16. I'm about to quit on HL. EDIT: I have actually found that it DOES help to type "we are throwing". It will usually get people to refocus after having begun to relax due to being ahead. EDIT2: Wtf is up with all these 5-stacks in QM? Playing against my 6.th in a row. Seems like I broke my streak - back up to 14, only 10 more ranks before I'm back to my pre-slide rank. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On the other hand, we got 3 great drafts ruined by 1 player who simply couldn't play. The first, Nazeebo, who did nothing - little siege, absolutely no damage, got Terror 3 times and did nothing with it. The second, Morales, who could not position at all well and died 8 times. Despite Abathur killing 2 of their keeps, Morales charged out from our keep to engage the boss we had lost and got killed, Diablo following suit, thus losing us the game. The third, Muradin, a silenced player, who constantly ignored retreat pings and dived over and over with me as solo supp Tyrande unable to keep him alive despite throwing all the heals I had on him. Constantly leaving us without protection for their Thrall with Morales to tear us apart. We got 4 DKs in a row and only on the fourth did we manage to kill a keep - at the cost of 3 lives. They get 2 DKs and win the game. Sigh. Playing with people who physically cannot read what you type is probably worse than those who just seem to ignore it. Maybe. I dunno. Either way it's hella frustrating to play a bunch of games and make absolutely no progress at the end of it. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Because of fucks like you maybe? Your attitude, your talent choice and your skill is lackluster. If a FF button would exist, fucks would forfeit games that could have been won, fucking the game for ppl with good attitude and just ruining the gaming experience altogether. Now i dont flame but this jaina in partifular says "azmodan is useless" in our game. WTF? Just stfu and focus on your own noob play instead. People that bitch like this are usually bad players overall. And this valla in other game "STOP FEED" she writes. And our whole team loses focus cuz of it, including me. Yet we had some ppl with good attitude that game so we almost made the comeback for real. Was for sure possible even after beeing down 4-5 levels, 1keep. On dragon shire. So many ppl with shit attitudes its quite incredible. I guess they dont have any parents around that make them feel warm inside? Or wtf is the problem. | ||
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Leolio
France633 Posts
On January 13 2016 07:35 Foxxan wrote: This jaina wants to Forfeit. "why doesnt this game have any FF button"? Because of fucks like you maybe? Your attitude, your talent choice and your skill is lackluster. If a FF button would exist, fucks would forfeit games that could have been won, fucking the game for ppl with good attitude and just ruining the gaming experience altogether. Yup, 100% accurate. And people would play bad on purpose to make other players vote for forfeit. I used to think a forfeit button would be a good idea, but given the number of morons in this game, it's definitely a very bad idea. My QQ is pretty simple I got 2 Illidans in HL. Ok I played with a 1200 MMR friend, but those 2 were picked after I picked Thrall and we had no ranged DPS at all in these games. Both "insta-picked" so we couldn't even talk some sense into them or adapt our picks. Both played OK in fights, but our team just couldn't handle Thrall + Illidan. (one of the game the healer last picked BW...) One of the Illidan insulted me in draft, saying this is "potato level" and I should suicide if I'm rank 8 after more than 1 month of HotS. Well, the rank 30 potatoes with good heroes kicked our asses. I wish I could at least draft last when I play at very low MMR like that. It's a level where you have no choice but to deal with people who just won't change their picks and feel like they should boss everyone. | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yGtf47Z.png) How can this broken matchmaking still happen ? And why did today's patch change absolutely nothing of all the balance issues we've been facing for months ? | ||
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Thezzy
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