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This is a team game, that requires team picks. I'm getting so tired of people picking what they want, and not what the team needs.
It's seriously starting to grind my gears. You can just lose before you start when people are selfish. It's irritating as hell.
Why can't blizz just force team picks? You need a tank, you need a healer. Can you win without these? Yes. Are you likely to win without these? No.
It's my biggest gripe with this game. And these last few days I've seemed to of been gifted with every imbecile north of the equator.
I just left a hero league game (before it started) Because of the stupid picks in 4th / 5th. 4th guy says 'I got no healers', and picks kerri, 5th guy is 'trololo fuck you team' and picks gazlow. Why, just fucking why? Why are you allowed to play in hero league if you don't have any healers or tanks? You don't bring enough utility if this is the case, and these two classes are integral to success.
And now it would seem that because I left, I can't play hero league without playing QM first. So I get blacklisted for baulking at the stupid picks, yet the tits in 4/5th drafts are free to go on to the next? Why should I be punished for leaving when I'm just reacting? When I'm not the cause of the problem? And going on allied chat 3 others agreed with me.
I always pick for the team, always. I don't especially enjoy playing healers or tanks. But it has to be done, because it's a fucking team game, and team picks are fucking needed.
Fix? If the PUG needs a tank and there is only one pick left for example, other classes of heroes should not be selectable. And before someone starts arguing semantics, a hierarchical structure of picking, ensuring the PUG has what it needs to at least have a chance would not be hard to implement. Premades of 5 or team league, go with what the hell you want pick wise, but in a PUG this should not be the case.
Maybe a UI pop up when you hover a teammates icon in hero league briefly listing the number of the different classes they have.. Would be a good option? ie. Heroes owned, or briefly listed by class - 2 tanks, 1 healer, 3 support, 1 melee dps, 4 ranged dps. etc etc.
What about a UI feature to select "did not team pick". If you rack up enough points, you can't play hero league. I don't know, something, anything to stop this bullshit.
This is so fucking annoying.
It's a silly system in PUGs, and guidance or plane forcing of team picks should be a thing.
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On June 24 2015 21:02 fruity. wrote:
This is a team game, that requires team picks. I'm getting so tired of people picking what they want, and not what the team needs.
It's seriously starting to grind my gears. You can just lose before you start when people are selfish. It's irritating as hell.
Why can't blizz just force team picks? You need a tank, you need a healer. Can you win without these? Yes. Are you likely to win without these? No.
It's my biggest gripe with this game. And these last few days I've seemed to of been gifted with every imbecile north of the equator.
I just left a hero league game (before it started) Because of the stupid picks in 4th / 5th. 4th guy says 'I got no healers', and picks kerri, 5th guy is 'trololo fuck you team' and picks gazlow. Why, just fucking why? Why are you allowed to play in hero league if you don't have any healers or tanks? You don't bring enough utility if this is the case, and these two classes are integral to success.
And now it would seem that because I left, I can't play hero league without playing QM first. So I get blacklisted for baulking at the stupid picks, yet the tits in 4/5th drafts are free to go on to the next? Why should I be punished for leaving when I'm just reacting? When I'm not the cause of the problem? And going on allied chat 3 others agreed with me.
I always pick for the team, always. I don't especially enjoy playing healers or tanks. But it has to be done, because it's a fucking team game, and team picks are fucking needed.
Fix? If the PUG needs a tank and there is only one pick left for example, other classes of heroes should not be selectable. And before someone starts arguing semantics, a hierarchical structure of picking, ensuring the PUG has what it needs to at least have a chance would not be hard to implement. Premades of 5 or team league, go with what the hell you want pick wise, but in a PUG this should not be the case.
Maybe a UI pop up when you hover a teammates icon in hero league briefly listing the number of the different classes they have.. Would be a good option? ie. Heroes owned, or briefly listed by class - 2 tanks, 1 healer, 3 support, 1 melee dps, 4 ranged dps. etc etc.
What about a UI feature to select "did not team pick". If you rack up enough points, you can't play hero league. I don't know, something, anything to stop this bullshit.
This is so fucking annoying.
It's a silly system in PUGs, and guidance or plane forcing of team picks should be a thing.
Because it's not up to you what works and what doesn't. That's like saying Blizzard should ban Stitches from any rank 1 game because he's not useful in any composition. People who make terrible picks and lose because of it will eventually be placed in a lower MMR than those who don't. If your MMR isn't high enough to the point where you avoid those people well then that's just too bad.
Obviously there are people who occasionally outright troll, but as you get better and better you see far less of them. If the Chinese want to run 3 tanks then that's their choice. If some dude wants to play Valla instead of Brightwing as 5th pick that's also their choice and their MMR will reflect that over the course of their career.
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And some probably knew that they are bad with a healer and go for a dps to burn down the other team, who might just have a BW as healer. Which right now is usually the case thanks to the bug and if you can burn a team with a healer its a team that just has BW.
Of course that should be communicated with the team otherwise they will be to frustrated to even play right and lose you the game.
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So your logic is, get better and better? That's bullshit. What about those who wont ever get better and better? Just aren't overly skilled.. Fuck them? They don't matter?
Are you telling me that pro games, and the huge majority of PUGs do NOT have 1 healer/support class a tank, the rest dps?
1 tank, a healer, the rest whatever, though usually 3 dps or 2 dps and a support.
I don't even understand your stance, it makes no sense.
I know what works, and what's best for PUG groups, I've had over 1000 games now, I watch Khaldor's stream, ESL, Grubby etc etc and so on. And you know what I NEVER see? 1 tank and no healer, or stupid variations there of.
Seriously, if you can not see that 1 healer 1 tank, 3 dps is 99% of the time the way to go for a PUG without comms.. for a smooth game with a fair chance to win.. Then.. Well, I'll just leave that sentence unfinished..
And you know what's else, it's these assholes forcing me to play stupid hero drafts that effects my rank, my rank isn't reflective of my ability, it's reflective of all the teams I've grouped with, and these stupid picks screw that up. And when you take the rank out of the equation, and look at the fun aspect, well shit, it's clear that it effects that too.
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On June 24 2015 22:46 fruity. wrote:
So your logic is, get better and better? That's bullshit. What about those who wont ever get better and better? Just aren't overly skilled.. Fuck them? They don't matter?
Are you telling me that pro games, and the huge majority of PUGs do NOT have 1 healer/support class a tank, the rest dps?
1 tank, a healer, the rest whatever, though usually 3 dps or 2 dps and a support.
I don't even understand your stance, it makes no sense.
I know what works, and what's best for PUG groups, I've had over 1000 games now, I watch Khaldor's stream, ESL, Grubby etc etc and so on. And you know what I NEVER see? 1 tank and no healer, or stupid variations there of.
Seriously, if you can not see that 1 healer 1 tank, 3 dps is 99% of the time the way to go for a PUG without comms.. for a smooth game with a fair chance to win.. Then.. Well, I'll just leave that sentence unfinished..
And you know what's else, it's these assholes forcing me to play stupid hero drafts that effects my rank, my rank isn't reflective of my ability, it's reflective of all the teams I've grouped with, and these stupid picks screw that up. And when you take the rank out of the equation, and look at the fun aspect, well shit, it's clear that it effects that too.
and SURPRISE you too can have games exactly like Khaldor's stream or ESL by finding 4 people to play with. Again, the reason Grubby doesn't get as many trolls is because he's winning more games than the trolls. The people who you are complaining about are actually winning the same amount of games as you are with their "how to win" mentality than with your "how to win mentality", making their choices just as correct as yours. Forcing them into a role they are terrible at isn't the solution.
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On June 25 2015 09:43 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 22:46 fruity. wrote:
So your logic is, get better and better? That's bullshit. What about those who wont ever get better and better? Just aren't overly skilled.. Fuck them? They don't matter?
Are you telling me that pro games, and the huge majority of PUGs do NOT have 1 healer/support class a tank, the rest dps?
1 tank, a healer, the rest whatever, though usually 3 dps or 2 dps and a support.
I don't even understand your stance, it makes no sense.
I know what works, and what's best for PUG groups, I've had over 1000 games now, I watch Khaldor's stream, ESL, Grubby etc etc and so on. And you know what I NEVER see? 1 tank and no healer, or stupid variations there of.
Seriously, if you can not see that 1 healer 1 tank, 3 dps is 99% of the time the way to go for a PUG without comms.. for a smooth game with a fair chance to win.. Then.. Well, I'll just leave that sentence unfinished..
And you know what's else, it's these assholes forcing me to play stupid hero drafts that effects my rank, my rank isn't reflective of my ability, it's reflective of all the teams I've grouped with, and these stupid picks screw that up. And when you take the rank out of the equation, and look at the fun aspect, well shit, it's clear that it effects that too. and SURPRISE you too can have games exactly like Khaldor's stream or ESL by finding 4 people to play with. Again, the reason Grubby doesn't get as many trolls is because he's winning more games than the trolls. The people who you are complaining about are actually winning the same amount of games as you are with their "how to win" mentality than with your "how to win mentality", making their choices just as correct as yours. Forcing them into a role they are terrible at isn't the solution.
Rumor has it that Hero League 102 may discuss some of this....
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Just lost a hl game because I was lagging none stop from start to end of a game? Got disconnected 3 times (all ended up in deaths), took about 30 sec to reconnect. I have good internet, all my games prior to that had no lag at all, not exactly sure if the issue what on my side or b.net's. I'm legit mad 
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I think they could let you queue as a role like WoW when not in a full party of 5. Require one support, one warrior, one assassin, one specialist and last slot can be anything. Negative will be longer queues for some roles, but it would give more balanced random teams. Allow players to pick multiple roles for queue including all 4, but if they do that then make it force them to pick the role needed with their pick. If you queue as a 5 player party then allow people to construct their team with no restrictions.
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The amount of idiots and know-it-alls in this game is astronomically mind blowing. At least in starcraft you only have to deal with one douche-bag at a time and he is your enemy anyways. I don't understand why people put others down in a team game, the only people it helps are the opponents. /endrant
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On June 25 2015 14:27 NET wrote:
The amount of idiots and know-it-alls in this game is astronomically mind blowing. At least in starcraft you only have to deal with one douche-bag at a time and he is your enemy anyways. I don't understand why people put others down in a team game, the only people it helps are the opponents. /endrant
That happen in pretty much any online team game, though. That is unfortunate but that just shows how sad humanity can be.
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The funny coincidence about that grubby example is, that around the same time of the first post. The enemy team had no healer and won.
Forced picks won't work anyway, instead of an assassin who will do his best you will get a healer who will go for a damage build and will not heal you once. Had that today with a Lili and it was hilarious as the tank and the healer had the most damage in the team. The Lili won because she just spammed her skills into the enemy and survived and me because I had to go alone into 5 to kill their damage dealers. And praised be the good Abathur player that supported every yolo move. Can't belief I only got 1 death on Mura that game.
Gotta say though Waterdragon is awesome for give em the axe. Still wtf the whole team got out dpsed by a Lili. But yeah never use spiders against a Level 20 Lili.
Apart from that forced roles would turn hero league into QM, I am gonna que as warrior, but in reality I already decided to play Muradin. Even if there will only be spellcasters on the enemy team with damage amps.
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On June 25 2015 14:31 FeyFey wrote:
Forced picks won't work anyway, instead of an assassin who will do his best you will get a healer who will go for a damage build and will not heal you once.
Apart from that forced roles would turn hero league into QM, I am gonna que as warrior, but in reality I already decided to play Muradin. Even if there will only be spellcasters on the enemy team with damage amps.
If someone chooses to queue as a support rather than an assassin, they are more likely to want to heal though. And people already queue and pre-decide who they are going to play regardless of what their team or the other team has unless someone else already picked their choice. Anyway it would be an option if they wanted more balanced selection of roles on each team.
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I cannot win Solo q... unbelievable. Valla in my team died 11 times to Nova and cried about triple tap...
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Had a Zeratul that managed to kill exactly zero people before lvl 10. He had even spent money on the samurai skin >_>
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On June 25 2015 11:42 sM.Zik wrote:Just lost a hl game because I was lagging none stop from start to end of a game? Got disconnected 3 times (all ended up in deaths), took about 30 sec to reconnect. I have good internet, all my games prior to that had no lag at all, not exactly sure if the issue what on my side or b.net's. I'm legit mad
Yeah, this is the worst. I had a similar experience today, but on top of that I was playing Vikings, and when you disconnect and the AI takes over it decides to regroup your split Vikings. So we were in Cursed Hollow, I would split to soak during the first tribute, it would disconnect, then reconnect 30 sec. later with all my vikings in one random spot; I would split them again, it would disconnect, and so on for the first 10 minutes.
Strangely, we still managed to win. Dem Vikings, man.
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On June 26 2015 08:20 rejicx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 11:42 sM.Zik wrote:Just lost a hl game because I was lagging none stop from start to end of a game? Got disconnected 3 times (all ended up in deaths), took about 30 sec to reconnect. I have good internet, all my games prior to that had no lag at all, not exactly sure if the issue what on my side or b.net's. I'm legit mad Yeah, this is the worst. I had a similar experience today, but on top of that I was playing Vikings, and when you disconnect and the AI takes over it decides to regroup your split Vikings. So we were in Cursed Hollow, I would split to soak during the first tribute, it would disconnect, then reconnect 30 sec. later with all my vikings in one random spot; I would split them again, it would disconnect, and so on for the first 10 minutes. Strangely, we still managed to win. Dem Vikings, man.
Yeah, Vikings... I've played them a lot already(well a lot for me at least) and the more I play with them, the more I understand why they are going to nerf them hard. They are just grossly overpowered if played correctly and it feels that there is nothing opponents can do to stop you except for outplaying your whole team and even then you soak so much exp that you can easily bounce back after level 10-16.
About the lag and freezes, it happens to me and my whole team for few days already, once or twice during the day. I don't know what's the problem, Blizzard servers I guess?
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My QQ is that I can't even start a Hero League Game. I go into Hero League, Blizzard drops me for some reason during the picks phase and then I need to play a Quick match due to my "disconnect" penalty. I now get a 4 game penalty just for trying to join hero league.
It seems to be a known issue for a lot of people, but I can't find a good solution, Blizzard only seems to be acknowledging it today:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/18194644754
It is really annoying as I worked really hard to earn the gold and skill for 10 well rounded heroes and all I want to do is try one game with an actual team composition as opposed to whatever random thing Blizzard wants to give me.
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On June 26 2015 08:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 08:20 rejicx wrote:On June 25 2015 11:42 sM.Zik wrote:Just lost a hl game because I was lagging none stop from start to end of a game? Got disconnected 3 times (all ended up in deaths), took about 30 sec to reconnect. I have good internet, all my games prior to that had no lag at all, not exactly sure if the issue what on my side or b.net's. I'm legit mad Yeah, this is the worst. I had a similar experience today, but on top of that I was playing Vikings, and when you disconnect and the AI takes over it decides to regroup your split Vikings. So we were in Cursed Hollow, I would split to soak during the first tribute, it would disconnect, then reconnect 30 sec. later with all my vikings in one random spot; I would split them again, it would disconnect, and so on for the first 10 minutes. Strangely, we still managed to win. Dem Vikings, man. About the lag and freezes, it happens to me and my whole team for few days already, once or twice during the day. I don't know what's the problem, Blizzard servers I guess?
I'm still experiencing some lag issues today, not as bad as yesterday but its consistent and at times my screen freezes for 10 seconds (it's definitely internet lag, not my computer having problem to run the game) . I'm at a point where I have to stop playing cause this is throwing games. I'll be out for the week end hopefully the issue is fix when I get back, still not sure if this is my internet having problems or b.net's servers because my internet seem to be working totally fine outside of that.
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Hate it when it's a close game you've lost because one player is just playing PvE.
I don't know why so many Hammer players have to suck in QM but going 4-10 in a 29 minute game when the rest of the team has +15 kills is just jawdroppingly horribad.
Every single time just sieging randomly and getting instanuked down by Nazeebo, Jaina and Zeratul.
Team falls back? I'll stay here and siege. Team fight? I'll stay here and siege.
And as soon as Hammer respawns, she just goes off and does it again.
We managed to kill the enemy team 4v5 (Hammer was at bot shooting creeps ofc), so I ping the boss and we all go except Hammer who starting to solo push bottom way too deep and gets killed for it.
Would've had that game if it wasn't for that fail Hammer since the rest of the game was somehow pretty close.
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Played a game my teammate kael has 3k hero damage and 5 deaths at the 12 min mark need I say any fucking more. I then get flamed by my tank who goes in 4vs5 for void prisming 3 people (no teammate in them) and spamming retreat and running away whilst he walks into the vp then flames me.
Seriously had a super good run today (match history was all green before this game)
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