I'm actually not in the "Fuck you Lili" camp as hard as some people. Auto-attack builds are becoming increasingly popular and with a now more reliable blind I could see her being a fairly competent counter to Zeratul or Butcher. I think her Cleanse on Q is extremely powerful. The biggest issue is she doesn't bring a whole lot to the table in terms of utility other than her blind where other supports can heal just as well but also bring far better utility.

[Phantom]

Mexico2170 Posts

June 30 2015 18:14 GMT

#403

Lili isn't uther shit, she is fine.

Its just that she is the worst support. But that doesn't mean she isn't good xD I personally don't like her though, she heals a lot but her heals are unrealible, and Malfurions ultt is basically a better version of hers,

Now what I'll admit is there are a lot of people that think she's amazing for some reason. There have been a lot of times where I'm going to pick Uther/malf and random solo queuers go: "hey man do you have lili?" Which I find pretty funny.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

June 30 2015 18:19 GMT

#404

Lili is the best healer in the game if you reach level 20. The issue is everything before that lol. Thats why she is pretty good at low level were games rarely end before that.

Everytime there are complaints about a hero on this thread a pro team picks them XD.

rdvark5000

Canada13 Posts

June 30 2015 18:39 GMT

#405

They did nerf Lili pretty hard this patch though, Kung Fu Hustle down from 200% to 150%. That was her big power spike.

Tenks

United States3104 Posts

June 30 2015 18:41 GMT

#406

I think they had to. She'd be impossible to balance with this "I'm crappy then God-like at 20 curve." Maybe they just wanted to see how her win rates would level out with this change then try and buff her 1-19.

Stratos_speAr

United States6959 Posts

June 30 2015 18:54 GMT

#407

On July 01 2015 03:41 Tenks wrote:
I think they had to. She'd be impossible to balance with this "I'm crappy then God-like at 20 curve." Maybe they just wanted to see how her win rates would level out with this change then try and buff her 1-19.

Yea, I've seen Lili 1v1 most heroes post-20. It's pretty ridiculous. Kung Fu Hustle needed that nerf, very badly.

Odoakar

Croatia1837 Posts

June 30 2015 19:55 GMT

#408

Ok, I'm now achieving unprecedent levels of rage. Who was the fucker at blizz who though having Nova permanently cloacked in qm game where you can have a roster of people with no detection ability would be a good idea? Plus, let's fucking give her triple tap auto kill all skill just for fun. Lost my eyes staring for the blurs on the map.

Plus, zagara...anyone got any tips how to kill this bitch? She's unkillable, can 1v3 some team compositions. Just lol fuckers, let me stay here, heal, spam you with autotracking mutas and here's some banes on top of that.

Gocaodjisajhdfisahda

I don't understand this matchmaking, I'm 1-8 in the last 9 matches...by chances alone I should be able to land in a winning team more often than this.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

June 30 2015 21:45 GMT

#409

On July 01 2015 02:47 xDaunt wrote:

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I think I've lost my past 5-6 games when Lili has been the solo healer on my team.

It's one thing to have Lili as your sole healer but another for said Lili to get the dragon heroic. Your team is dying and you want to do more damage instead of doing your job?

Thezzy

Netherlands2117 Posts

June 30 2015 22:12 GMT

#410

On July 01 2015 04:55 Odoakar wrote:
Ok, I'm now achieving unprecedent levels of rage. Who was the fucker at blizz who though having Nova permanently cloacked in qm game where you can have a roster of people with no detection ability would be a good idea? Plus, let's fucking give her triple tap auto kill all skill just for fun. Lost my eyes staring for the blurs on the map.

Plus, zagara...anyone got any tips how to kill this bitch? She's unkillable, can 1v3 some team compositions. Just lol fuckers, let me stay here, heal, spam you with autotracking mutas and here's some banes on top of that.

Gocaodjisajhdfisahda

I don't understand this matchmaking, I'm 1-8 in the last 9 matches...by chances alone I should be able to land in a winning team more often than this.

Nova is strong against squishy compositions, but keep in mind all she can do is kill squishies.
No lane, no merc and horrible for bringing a comeback. If she wasn't good at sniping heroes she'd have no use at all.
Best thing to help deal with her is to not go alone into a lane, hug minions and keep a close eye on the map and try to skillshot any blurs. A Nova forced out of cloak is a dead Nova.

As for Zagara, soloing her in lane on creep is not recommended, she has great sustain on creep as well as more movement speed. Her Hydra/Muta will bring you down over time but she lacks any real form of burst or CC.
She can only kill you if you stay too long. Whack her and fall back, if she casts Hydra, run to your towers/gate and let it die there. Zagara also has no escape beyond creep speed so any gank works great on her.

And as for your 1-8, I'm currently 6-26 when it comes to QM even though I'm playing Sylvanas or Anub'Arak, both of which can shine in many compositions.

Ofcourse, then you get a Raynor like this that avoids all teamfights and has never heard of a talent build:
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I've since tried Hero League and probably won't look back since the games there have better compositions and players actually communicate there. Only downside is that you won't always be able to play the hero you want.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

June 30 2015 23:07 GMT

#411

Not so much of a rage, but I had an interesting game the other day. A couple people on my team started raging at each other, which made the Nova go afk. It became a long and grueling 30 minute 4v5. At the very end, we managed to get their core down to a sliver before wiping. It was a sad realization that we were going to lose after doing so well in a 4v5, but out of nowhere came a precision strike that took down the core and saved the day.

fruity.

England1711 Posts

July 01 2015 01:06 GMT

#412

Fuck you blizzard, couldn't you of waited for any running games to end before you pulled the plug?

ASSHOLES. Such a close game too.

RiZu

Singapore5715 Posts

July 01 2015 07:50 GMT

#413

Pretty much winning every ranked games except against Johanna. For some reasons, everyone in my teams and myself love to hit her. It crazy how much damage she soak more than our tanks yet not died

That Condense is such a bait to hit her.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

July 01 2015 22:34 GMT

#414

On July 01 2015 08:07 Chairman Ray wrote:
Not so much of a rage, but I had an interesting game the other day. A couple people on my team started raging at each other, which made the Nova go afk. It became a long and grueling 30 minute 4v5. At the very end, we managed to get their core down to a sliver before wiping. It was a sad realization that we were going to lose after doing so well in a 4v5, but out of nowhere came a precision strike that took down the core and saved the day.

wow thats pretty cool story. Did everyone stop raging when she went afk and concentratet on the game ? x3 Guess faking afk sometimes help.

General Rage: why Blizzard why make one turn in on blackhearts bay destroy a whole keep T.T

Silverspud

United States0 Posts

July 02 2015 16:34 GMT

#415

Lost another AI match. Not sure how, or why this happens.

The whole AI team is right at our core and we've still got a fort standing in each lane to plow through before we reach their's. I'm pinging like crazy to defend with Malfurion to get some support against an offense-heavy team, but 2 of them continue to lane while another 2 are AFK at spawn.

I need to be able to remotely uninstall the game from players like this.

Xingua

United States81 Posts

July 02 2015 21:31 GMT

#416

Quick Match matchmaking strikes again!

Team Comp: Abathur, Murky, Nova, Lili, Malfurion

I'm pretty sure that's the #1 comp NA.

Odoakar

Croatia1837 Posts

July 02 2015 21:36 GMT

#417

https://i.imgur.com/GKizzZu.png

2 warriors against 0 warriors? Sure, that seems cool.

And then match after that we had bot Gaz. Another loss, permanently stuck in bottom of the mmr.

Thezzy

Netherlands2117 Posts

July 02 2015 21:38 GMT

#418

Worst QM composition I've had was Raynor, Nova, Stitches, Gazlowe when I was playing Kerrigan.
Suffice to say Nova kept solo diving, Raynor only did minion waves, Stitches couldn't land a hook to save his life and Gazlowe was soloing mercs all day long. Not a good team for a Kerrigan.

Enemy team had a tank and a healer so you can do the math.
One of the fastest and hardest stomps, going 12-18 after only 12 minutes.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

July 02 2015 23:36 GMT

#419

Solo lane Falstad (using his flight to go into the lane). Okay np, but he commented when we started losing the game "we are not grouped"
He literally flew on the enemy side of the map to push a lane even further and then complained that he gets killed. Managed to get back at level 20 when Sonja took her upgraded jump ult.

Also Butcher Bot is OP against cloaked heroes uses his Q on them all the time xD.

darthfoley

United States8003 Posts

July 05 2015 00:06 GMT

#420

you know what sucks? getting smacked in the face with a fish until you die.