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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
June 22 2015 12:27 GMT
#341
infinity21, I'm 33 rank atm, most of my friends seems to be about his level now, some in their 20's.

It is a valid point you make. However, it is also an issue that could be addressed quite easily I feel.

Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
June 22 2015 13:04 GMT
#342
On June 22 2015 21:27 fruity. wrote:
infinity21, I'm 33 rank atm, most of my friends seems to be about his level now, some in their 20's.

It is a valid point you make. However, it is also an issue that could be addressed quite easily I feel.


I'm rank 13 now and it still happens
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2015 14:34 GMT
#343
another rant. The penalty for being terrible at the game is non-existent, meaning that there's a low skill ceiling from what I've seen
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 22 2015 15:12 GMT
#344
People say there is a low ceiling but the cream always seems to rise to the top in these tournaments and the same couple of names are always in the finals. If the game was just doing random shit and hoping you win you'd see much more volatility than we're seeing.
Wat
Mnemic
Profile Joined April 2010
Botswana80 Posts
June 22 2015 15:46 GMT
#345
On June 22 2015 23:34 amazingxkcd wrote:
another rant. The penalty for being terrible at the game is non-existent, meaning that there's a low skill ceiling from what I've seen


Which game has a penalty for being terrible?

My rant: until they implement better matchmaking im playing only quick matches, currently it's just horrible. The game was so looong in a test phase and they launched it without a normal matchmaking system?? Fuck that.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2015 16:38 GMT
#346
it might just matchmaking not adjusting properly, Im getting better games now
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 20:25:05
June 22 2015 20:24 GMT
#347
Pop Quiz: Enemy team picks uther + abathur first. I have locked down zeratul as our number 1 pick. Only picks that are in. What is the obvious next enemy pick and how can you counter it with your remaining 4 picks?

EDIT: I was first pick, so you now have 2 picks available.
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 20:48:27
June 22 2015 20:47 GMT
#348
On June 23 2015 05:24 Ghostcom wrote:
Pop Quiz: Enemy team picks uther + abathur first. I have locked down zeratul as our number 1 pick. Only picks that are in. What is the obvious next enemy pick and how can you counter it with your remaining 4 picks?

EDIT: I was first pick, so you now have 2 picks available.

Well you know they are going to be picking a tank and 2 strong damage dealers, and with Uther/Abathur their priority should be to get Illidan. The most important thing your team should do is get Illidan so they can't get him. After that Anubarak, Jaina, and Kaelthas are pretty strong general picks. I assume it's not on Haunted Mines or sylvanas would have been picked already. I would say pass on anub for this pick because you don't want to give them Jaina and Kael, with the possibility of Johanna later. So get Jaina or Kael. The other team will probably take the other caster and a tank. If they got anub, get muradin or tyrael as the last pick, if not grab him now. Brightwing would be the preferred support for your team.

So it will look a little like this:
Enemy team:
Uther, Abathur, Jaina or Kael, Anubarak, Sylvanas

Your team:
Zeratul, Illidan, Jaina or Kael, Muradin, Brightwing

Neither team has good poke besides the Kael, so it will be complete melee warfare, which your team should win since you have heroes that can keep their tanks off your healer/caster, or can jump their caster/dps.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 21:54:18
June 22 2015 21:44 GMT
#349
Its a trap, they want you to pick two melee assassins. So you pick Muradin and Kael. BW should still be available later on.
If you pick Illidan they will go Kerrigan and facemelt your team at level 10.

edit: I would prolly pick Jaina over Kael even, because Jaina is the ultimate abathur clone target.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 22 2015 22:13 GMT
#350
ugh, why'd i spend 7k to buy Uther...
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
June 22 2015 22:16 GMT
#351
No no guys, you got it wrong. The solution is to let them get jaina AND Illidan, whilst getting murky, raynor, rehgar and muradin. Bonus points if your Raynor suicides to the back in an attempt to get to uther.

I've never lost cursed hollow so decidedly.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 22 2015 22:37 GMT
#352
Maybe the Murky player hoped Uther would forget to get cleanse, so Octo grab would own a 4 body only team ? But wow Murky against an Uther ... someone didn't get the Memo.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 23 2015 00:33 GMT
#353
It astonishes me how people are rank 1-5 and are still clueless about basic concepts in this game and have less than zero minimap awareness
Wat
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 23 2015 00:35 GMT
#354
On June 23 2015 07:16 Ghostcom wrote:
No no guys, you got it wrong. The solution is to let them get jaina AND Illidan, whilst getting murky, raynor, rehgar and muradin. Bonus points if your Raynor suicides to the back in an attempt to get to uther.

I've never lost cursed hollow so decidedly.


Gotta love it when squishies seem to think a flank is a god-tier strategy. Instead they just get blown up immediately for being out of position.
Wat
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
June 23 2015 03:38 GMT
#355
On June 23 2015 07:13 Roe wrote:
ugh, why'd i spend 7k to buy Uther...


Uther is great.
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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 23 2015 12:51 GMT
#356
I'm going to stop trying to urge people into heroes because they synergize well with the team we've drafted. Just because Zeratul + Aba is a hot combo it doesn't mean it is auto win if you have the world's worst Zeratul on your team.

He picked E talent at level 1. E talent. Then Void Slash at 7. He was Rank4.
Wat
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-23 13:12:44
June 23 2015 13:12 GMT
#357
On June 23 2015 09:33 Tenks wrote:
It astonishes me how people are rank 1-5 and are still clueless about basic concepts in this game and have less than zero minimap awareness


2% of people are Rank 1 (Higher when you consider how master tier worked in SC2) So really, anyone worse than rank 1 who has played enough games just isn't good (compared to top players, at least) whatsoever. Something to keep in mind. It's like comparing a SC2 Grandmaster to a very low Master player. Sure, he may win 1/10 games through cheese, but he's still the worse player in every which way.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-23 16:25:56
June 23 2015 16:24 GMT
#358
I call bullshit on 2% of people being R1. As far as I've seen, anyone in the ~top 20-25% of players is able to get rank 1.
Rank 1 in it's current state doesn't mean anything, as unfortunate as that is. I hope once they release the grandmaster rank it'll be an actual goal to strive for.

E: To keep on topic with QQ, I'm annoyed my laptop can't handle hots (a very old laptop), and the connection sucks here (on vacation), basically meaning that I'm playing a powerpoint slideshow, hoping that it'll react somehow when I point at things.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 23 2015 17:15 GMT
#359
Trust me. There are lots of atrocious Rank 1 players out there. I'm guessing that there's more than 2% of the active hero league population at Rank 1, even adjusting for all of the people who get Rank 1 then never hero league again, but there's no way that it's higher than like 5% or so. I still get lots of games where I'm not matched exclusively with Rank 1 people. Honestly, the best metric is to look at hotslogs. If someone is over 3.1k MMR, they're likely good overall (notwithstanding the occasional off games). There's a surprising number of Rank 1 players who are under 3k MMR, and they're the ones who are marginally better (if at all) than the masses below Rank 1.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 24 2015 01:34 GMT
#360
Is ignite + flamethrower the least fun thing in the game at the moment? I say yes. It is really hard to end a game before 16 in Heroes and once KT gets 16 suddenly he is the main damage and main initiator for the team. And he can do half of an assassin's HP bar in one Flamestrike that he can toss from from the fog of war. It is atrocious design. Whoever at Blizzard thought it would be fun is an absolute fucking idiot. This isn't even like DOTA or LoL where you could just make KT your prison bitch the entire match and deny him any gold and XP to make him unable to carry the game. No you can kill his ass 10 times before 16 and it doesn't matter. He's going to flamestrike your entire team from fog of war if you push anywhere into enemy territory. Remove it.
Wat
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