EPTThen again that is the common argument in general with Nova. She works well from an advantage but is really hard to transfer her skillset into making a comeback.
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Tenks
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Then again that is the common argument in general with Nova. She works well from an advantage but is really hard to transfer her skillset into making a comeback. | ||
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vJehoelv
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On June 11 2015 03:04 Wuster wrote: Last few times I saw opposing double mage (or KT + Sylv) and I'm Illidan, I've actually gone for Hunt, the stun + burst potential on such a squishy glass target just feels so much more impactful than Meta over the frontline and hoping to chase them down anyways. Plus the stun limits KT's ability to zone out half the fight if you can land it before he tosses out Phoenix. Maybe this is a quick match thing as I've only tried it a few times there, but so far the results seem promising. So against a similar comp I would assume Nova blowing up KT/Jaina is better than VP. Likewise, first time I got her I played her up to lvl 7. Culminating in a Blackheart's Bay game where we got crushed but I had 20+ takedowns out of a possible 25 (rest of my team was under 15). That's when I decided that Nova is just a win-more hero, maybe on a different map all those kills could have made a difference but they just didn't. I also formed the opinion that Nova always looks AFK in games you're losing cuz she just can't do anything other than hit and run and when you're constantly losing teamfights... she can't risk revealing herself as often and her burst is heavily neutered by level disadvantages (I know everyone's burst is, but she has less sustain than other assassins so I'd argue it effects her more). Not afk, just useless. If you dont have gathering power stacks and behind on level, theres literally nothing you can do but hope for a good team fight. | ||
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Valiver
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On June 11 2015 03:50 sM.Zik wrote: Nova's probably the most anti-fun hero in the game atm, she can burn in hell for all I care. You don't get "out played" by a Nova, you just are at the wrong place at the wrong time. Is that only because of her cloaking? Do you feel the same way about facing Zeratul? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On June 11 2015 04:00 Valiver wrote: I have a special hate for Murky above all others. Part of that is from old patches, but it's a lingering hate. I love playing as Murky haha he's such a disruptive little shit :D | ||
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Tenks
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On June 11 2015 03:50 sM.Zik wrote: Nova's probably the most anti-fun hero in the game atm, she can burn in hell for all I care. You don't get "out played" by a Nova, you just are at the wrong place at the wrong time. That is really dumb. Nova is about being in the right place at the right time not the other way around. If you are constantly getting burned down by Nova it is because you're making yourself an prime target. | ||
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Tephus
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On June 11 2015 03:50 sM.Zik wrote: Nova's probably the most anti-fun hero in the game atm, she can burn in hell for all I care. You don't get "out played" by a Nova, you just are at the wrong place at the wrong time. Apparently map awareness isn't relevant to outplay people. | ||
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Wuster
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Hopefully it sorts itself out soon though. | ||
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infinity21
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On June 11 2015 07:07 Wuster wrote: Browder warned that QM was going to be a mess after release with all the new people getting in. Maybe we're enough into the release that a glut of people just hit Hero League? Hopefully it sorts itself out soon though. Makes sense. I guess I'll lay off HL for a while until bad players get their MMR down | ||
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Ghostcom
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On June 11 2015 04:44 Tephus wrote: Apparently map awareness isn't relevant to outplay people. In the mid-lategame very little of what Nova does has anything to do with map awareness/positional outplaying the opponent. If she is decently competent she will at worst get a 1 for 1 trade. | ||
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sM.Zik
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On June 11 2015 04:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is that only because of her cloaking? Do you feel the same way about facing Zeratul? Zeratul at least has to make himself vulnerable for a while during his dmg burst. On June 11 2015 04:12 Tenks wrote: That is really dumb. Nova is about being in the right place at the right time not the other way around. If you are constantly getting burned down by Nova it is because you're making yourself an prime target. I always play squishy heroes (jaina, tyrande, sylvanas) so obviously im always her prime target, bad positioning or not. I don't "constrantly" get burn by Nova, but it will happen few times in a game because she can actually burst me down without me having the chance to do anything about it, even if im not in a bad position. On June 11 2015 04:44 Tephus wrote: Apparently map awareness isn't relevant to outplay people. I have good map awareness, are you trying to say that it's impossible to get killed by Nova as a squishy target if you have good map awareness? On June 11 2015 07:58 Ghostcom wrote: In the mid-lategame very little of what Nova does has anything to do with map awareness/positional outplaying the opponent. If she is decently competent she will at worst get a 1 for 1 trade. Finally someone who understood my point without jumping to conclusions. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
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On June 11 2015 07:58 Ghostcom wrote: In the mid-lategame very little of what Nova does has anything to do with map awareness/positional outplaying the opponent. If she is decently competent she will at worst get a 1 for 1 trade. Uh, yes it does. Nova is one of my main characters and absolutely everything you do with her involves a LOT of decision-making regarding your positional play and your map awareness. Because of the fact that so much of her damage is tied to a skill shot and that she has zero escapes, you have to play that way in order to succeed. | ||
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Yoav
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On June 11 2015 07:58 sM.Zik wrote: I always play squishy heroes (jaina, tyrande, sylvanas) so obviously im always her prime target, bad positioning or not. I don't "constrantly" get burn by Nova, but it will happen few times in a game because she can actually burst me down without me having the chance to do anything about it, even if im not in a bad position. I found your problem. When Nova kills you, you ARE in a bad position. By definition. Sometimes it can't be helped, but there's a reason Nova's only a problem at lower levels. Good enough players rarely get picked off by Nova. | ||
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sM.Zik
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On June 11 2015 08:58 Yoav wrote: I found your problem. When Nova kills you, you ARE in a bad position. By definition. Sometimes it can't be helped, but there's a reason Nova's only a problem at lower levels. Good enough players rarely get picked off by Nova. Except I don't play at lower levels. I never said it was a "problem", my initial point was that she is an anti-fun hero. That's just my opinion, y'all have the right to disagree. | ||
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Chairman Ray
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xDaunt
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On June 11 2015 09:50 Chairman Ray wrote: I'm gonna see if I can get to Rank 1 exclusively playing Nova. Grinding 10 heroes is such a pain, especially if I'm only playing Nova -_- Ask Kadaver for an award if you succeed. He's the god of Nova trolls. | ||
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