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On June 10 2015 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote:On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him.
I need to get around to updating The Big Book of Zeratul. All of the talent and build information is out of date with the changes that Blizzard has implemented over the past couple patches. The proper build path isn't really even debatable anymore. AA-centric builds are the way to go. I think that the optimum build is seasoned marksman, focused attack, first aid, void prison, assassin's blade, rending cleave, and nexus blades for its balance of single target damage and survivability. However, if you really want to kick the damage up a notch, the new European build is the way to go: seasoned marksman, focused attack, follow through, void prison, assassin's blade (most Euros still pick wormhold for some reason, which makes no sense to me), double bombs, and nexus blades (again, most Euros take rewind here, which also makes little sense to me). The damage that follow through adds is huge. The problem, however, is that you are less able to hang in fights without first aid, so you can't realize your full damage potential in a lot of situations. Again, this problem is mitigated in pro games, but you can't always rely upon the timely heals in solo queue. Self-sufficiency is always a virtue in that arena.
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On June 10 2015 22:56 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote:On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him. I need to get around to updating The Big Book of Zeratul. All of the talent and build information is out of date with the changes that Blizzard has implemented over the past couple patches. The proper build path isn't really even debatable anymore. AA-centric builds are the way to go. I think that the optimum build is seasoned marksman, focused attack, first aid, void prison, assassin's blade, rending cleave, and nexus blades for its balance of single target damage and survivability. However, if you really want to kick the damage up a notch, the new European build is the way to go: seasoned marksman, focused attack, follow through, void prison, assassin's blade (most Euros still pick wormhold for some reason, which makes no sense to me), double bombs, and nexus blades (again, most Euros take rewind here, which also makes little sense to me). The damage that follow through adds is huge. The problem, however, is that you are less able to hang in fights without first aid, so you can't realize your full damage potential in a lot of situations. Again, this problem is mitigated in pro games, but you can't always rely upon the timely heals in solo queue. Self-sufficiency is always a virtue in that arena.
Awesome  Definitely gonna try out those builds. I watched Zuna play Zeratul and it's just mind-blowing (although I'm sure that's more about the skill level than the talent tree).
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On June 10 2015 22:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Yes. Nova is easily the most one-dimensional hero in the game and is probably the least effective at high levels. Her only strength, picking out squishies, is entirely negated by high-skilled team play. Show nested quote +Both Jaina and Valla are good pushers even without assassinating their opposition. No specc'ing needed for either (but just like for everyone else it helps). AoE-oriented assassins (Jaina, KT) are good at pushing, but most specialists are just better. For those assassins to push, they have to blow relatively long CD's that limit their ability to do their main job (kill opposing heroes), and it also costs quite a bit of mana. Specialists are far more mana efficient with their pushing abilities and have abilities that are specifically helpful in minion clear and structure damage (Azmodan's generals/demon summoning, Sylvanas's Black Arrow, Gaz's turrets, etc.).
Thanks cpt. Obvious.
If you didn't quote me out of context you would have noticed that what I was responding to a guy who said: The only one that is really able to push no matter what is our OP new hero Kael'Thas. The point is that most assassins can be decent at pushing, but only if they spec for it. Neither Jaina, Valla or KT have to specc for it.
Whether or not specialists are better is a different argument.
EDIT: Blizzard is a 15 sec CD, Multishot is 8 sec, Flamestrike is 7. For comparison, shadow dagger and globe are both 10 secs so apparently all CDs are relatively long.
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It looked more like he was adding more context and clarity for the original poster on top of what you provided so probably no need to get uppity about it
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Yeah I also felt that the attitude was unnecessary.
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On June 10 2015 22:56 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote:On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him. I need to get around to updating The Big Book of Zeratul. All of the talent and build information is out of date with the changes that Blizzard has implemented over the past couple patches. The proper build path isn't really even debatable anymore. AA-centric builds are the way to go. I think that the optimum build is seasoned marksman, focused attack, first aid, void prison, assassin's blade, rending cleave, and nexus blades for its balance of single target damage and survivability. However, if you really want to kick the damage up a notch, the new European build is the way to go: seasoned marksman, focused attack, follow through, void prison, assassin's blade (most Euros still pick wormhold for some reason, which makes no sense to me), double bombs, and nexus blades (again, most Euros take rewind here, which also makes little sense to me). The damage that follow through adds is huge. The problem, however, is that you are less able to hang in fights without first aid, so you can't realize your full damage potential in a lot of situations. Again, this problem is mitigated in pro games, but you can't always rely upon the timely heals in solo queue. Self-sufficiency is always a virtue in that arena.
I feel like Rewind makes more sense than Nexus blades. If your goal is to proc follow through on each attack with rewind you can get 3 more procs which results in all your attacks doing 40% more damage compared to Nexus Blades only giving 20% more damage. Since you lack FA you aren't going to stick onto a target long enough to do anything more than your Rewind rotation.
I don't understand Wormhole though if you take Rewind at 20
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On June 10 2015 23:21 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 22:56 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote:On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him. I need to get around to updating The Big Book of Zeratul. All of the talent and build information is out of date with the changes that Blizzard has implemented over the past couple patches. The proper build path isn't really even debatable anymore. AA-centric builds are the way to go. I think that the optimum build is seasoned marksman, focused attack, first aid, void prison, assassin's blade, rending cleave, and nexus blades for its balance of single target damage and survivability. However, if you really want to kick the damage up a notch, the new European build is the way to go: seasoned marksman, focused attack, follow through, void prison, assassin's blade (most Euros still pick wormhold for some reason, which makes no sense to me), double bombs, and nexus blades (again, most Euros take rewind here, which also makes little sense to me). The damage that follow through adds is huge. The problem, however, is that you are less able to hang in fights without first aid, so you can't realize your full damage potential in a lot of situations. Again, this problem is mitigated in pro games, but you can't always rely upon the timely heals in solo queue. Self-sufficiency is always a virtue in that arena. I feel like Rewind makes more sense than Nexus blades. If your goal is to proc follow through on each attack with rewind you can get 3 more procs which results in all your attacks doing 40% more damage compared to Nexus Blades only giving 20% more damage. Since you lack FA you aren't going to stick onto a target long enough to do anything more than your Rewind rotation. I don't understand Wormhole though if you take Rewind at 20
Rewind gives burst, wormhole gives survivability you need to live to 20.
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On June 10 2015 23:21 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 22:56 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote:On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him. I need to get around to updating The Big Book of Zeratul. All of the talent and build information is out of date with the changes that Blizzard has implemented over the past couple patches. The proper build path isn't really even debatable anymore. AA-centric builds are the way to go. I think that the optimum build is seasoned marksman, focused attack, first aid, void prison, assassin's blade, rending cleave, and nexus blades for its balance of single target damage and survivability. However, if you really want to kick the damage up a notch, the new European build is the way to go: seasoned marksman, focused attack, follow through, void prison, assassin's blade (most Euros still pick wormhold for some reason, which makes no sense to me), double bombs, and nexus blades (again, most Euros take rewind here, which also makes little sense to me). The damage that follow through adds is huge. The problem, however, is that you are less able to hang in fights without first aid, so you can't realize your full damage potential in a lot of situations. Again, this problem is mitigated in pro games, but you can't always rely upon the timely heals in solo queue. Self-sufficiency is always a virtue in that arena. I feel like Rewind makes more sense than Nexus blades. If your goal is to proc follow through on each attack with rewind you can get 3 more procs which results in all your attacks doing 40% more damage compared to Nexus Blades only giving 20% more damage. Since you lack FA you aren't going to stick onto a target long enough to do anything more than your Rewind rotation. I don't understand Wormhole though if you take Rewind at 20
I think you have it backwards, actually. Rewind makes more sense with Wormhole than with Assassin's Blade. With Wormhole, you can Blink => Cleave => AA => Bomb => AA => Bomb => AA => Wormhole out (keep in mind this is a very tight window to get all of that off), then use Rewind to do the combo all over again. What you don't want to do is use Rewind to reset your abilities while you stay in the fight. The limiting factor is time. Zeratul doesn't want to stay in a fight for 6 seconds. The enemy will just turn on him and blow him up. Thus, if you're not using Wormhole, you want to frontload as much of your damage as possible, which is why Nexus Blades becomes the unequivocal better pick when used in conjunction with Assassin's blade. Frankly, I think Nexus Blades is better anyway just because frontloading damage is so important with Zeratul.
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Yeah it occurred to me after I posted that in conjunction with Wormhole it opens up that combo which is probably far safer. Does Blink proc Follow Through? Like would you want to Blink -> AA -> Cleave -> AA for another Follow Through? Or possibly use the E to proc Follow Through so you can just double bomb without trying to double process Follow Through on the combo.
And if you run that combo would it actually be better to take Rending Cleave at 16 at that point
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On June 11 2015 00:09 Tenks wrote:
Yeah it occurred to me after I posted that in conjunction with Wormhole it opens up that combo which is probably far safer. Does Blink proc Follow Through? Like would you want to Blink -> AA -> Cleave -> AA for another Follow Through? Or possibly use the E to proc Follow Through so you can just double bomb without trying to double process Follow Through on the combo.
Blink does proc Follow Through. If you aren't using (or don't have) the second bomb, then you can AA first before dropping your first ability. Realistically, you're only going to have time for 3 AA's before you have to Wormhole out. Mechanically, it's kind of a bitch and possibly wasteful in terms of potential. This is why I prefer Assassin's Blade to Wormhole now. In addition to increasing my damage, I can leave when I want because I will still have Blink available. The drawback is that I can't always use Blink to engage. On the flipside, Blink is a much safer exit than Wormhole, because you aren't stuck returning to a fixed spot that may no longer be safe.
As for Rending Cleave, I would still take Double Bombs when selecting Follow Through. You want the option of having the extra proc. However, Rending Cleave is better if you take First Aid at 7 (which I usually do).
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Well the good news is it sounds like there are many viable paths to take on Zeratul at the moment which is pretty cool. It may just come down to playstyle preference and possibly enemy team composition for which talents to take are optimal for the individual player and the individual situation.
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On June 11 2015 00:06 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 23:21 Tenks wrote:On June 10 2015 22:56 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote:On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him. I need to get around to updating The Big Book of Zeratul. All of the talent and build information is out of date with the changes that Blizzard has implemented over the past couple patches. The proper build path isn't really even debatable anymore. AA-centric builds are the way to go. I think that the optimum build is seasoned marksman, focused attack, first aid, void prison, assassin's blade, rending cleave, and nexus blades for its balance of single target damage and survivability. However, if you really want to kick the damage up a notch, the new European build is the way to go: seasoned marksman, focused attack, follow through, void prison, assassin's blade (most Euros still pick wormhold for some reason, which makes no sense to me), double bombs, and nexus blades (again, most Euros take rewind here, which also makes little sense to me). The damage that follow through adds is huge. The problem, however, is that you are less able to hang in fights without first aid, so you can't realize your full damage potential in a lot of situations. Again, this problem is mitigated in pro games, but you can't always rely upon the timely heals in solo queue. Self-sufficiency is always a virtue in that arena. I feel like Rewind makes more sense than Nexus blades. If your goal is to proc follow through on each attack with rewind you can get 3 more procs which results in all your attacks doing 40% more damage compared to Nexus Blades only giving 20% more damage. Since you lack FA you aren't going to stick onto a target long enough to do anything more than your Rewind rotation. I don't understand Wormhole though if you take Rewind at 20 I think you have it backwards, actually. Rewind makes more sense with Wormhole than with Assassin's Blade. With Wormhole, you can Blink => Cleave => AA => Bomb => AA => Bomb => AA => Wormhole out (keep in mind this is a very tight window to get all of that off), then use Rewind to do the combo all over again.
Is this the ideal Zeratul combo for when I'm trying to assassinate heroes?
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On June 11 2015 00:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 00:06 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 23:21 Tenks wrote:On June 10 2015 22:56 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote:On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him. I need to get around to updating The Big Book of Zeratul. All of the talent and build information is out of date with the changes that Blizzard has implemented over the past couple patches. The proper build path isn't really even debatable anymore. AA-centric builds are the way to go. I think that the optimum build is seasoned marksman, focused attack, first aid, void prison, assassin's blade, rending cleave, and nexus blades for its balance of single target damage and survivability. However, if you really want to kick the damage up a notch, the new European build is the way to go: seasoned marksman, focused attack, follow through, void prison, assassin's blade (most Euros still pick wormhold for some reason, which makes no sense to me), double bombs, and nexus blades (again, most Euros take rewind here, which also makes little sense to me). The damage that follow through adds is huge. The problem, however, is that you are less able to hang in fights without first aid, so you can't realize your full damage potential in a lot of situations. Again, this problem is mitigated in pro games, but you can't always rely upon the timely heals in solo queue. Self-sufficiency is always a virtue in that arena. I feel like Rewind makes more sense than Nexus blades. If your goal is to proc follow through on each attack with rewind you can get 3 more procs which results in all your attacks doing 40% more damage compared to Nexus Blades only giving 20% more damage. Since you lack FA you aren't going to stick onto a target long enough to do anything more than your Rewind rotation. I don't understand Wormhole though if you take Rewind at 20 I think you have it backwards, actually. Rewind makes more sense with Wormhole than with Assassin's Blade. With Wormhole, you can Blink => Cleave => AA => Bomb => AA => Bomb => AA => Wormhole out (keep in mind this is a very tight window to get all of that off), then use Rewind to do the combo all over again. Is this the ideal Zeratul combo for when I'm trying to assassinate heroes?
If you are using Wormhole and Follow Through, yes. If you are using Assassin's Blade and Follow Through, then it is Run to Target from Behind => AA => Cleave => AA => Bomb => AA => Bomb => AA => Blink Out or Stay and continue to AA depending upon the circumstances. If you aren't using Follow Through, then it is AA => Cleave => Bomb => Bomb (if you took Double Bomb, which I don't recommend without Follow Through) => AA => AA....
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On June 11 2015 00:21 Tenks wrote:
Well the good news is it sounds like there are many viable paths to take on Zeratul at the moment which is pretty cool. It may just come down to playstyle preference and possibly enemy team composition for which talents to take are optimal for the individual player and the individual situation.
Yeah, there are a lot more options. Blizzard still needs to clean up more of the useless talents, but Zeratul isn't in a bad spot right now.
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The only downside is now since Zeratul is more assassination focused it really leaves Nova out in a strange place. They both fill fairly similar roles in team fights but Nova doesn't have VP.
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On June 11 2015 00:28 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 00:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 11 2015 00:06 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 23:21 Tenks wrote:On June 10 2015 22:56 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote:On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much.
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward.
You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat.
So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day.
Does anybody feel the same about this hero?
Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him. I need to get around to updating The Big Book of Zeratul. All of the talent and build information is out of date with the changes that Blizzard has implemented over the past couple patches. The proper build path isn't really even debatable anymore. AA-centric builds are the way to go. I think that the optimum build is seasoned marksman, focused attack, first aid, void prison, assassin's blade, rending cleave, and nexus blades for its balance of single target damage and survivability. However, if you really want to kick the damage up a notch, the new European build is the way to go: seasoned marksman, focused attack, follow through, void prison, assassin's blade (most Euros still pick wormhold for some reason, which makes no sense to me), double bombs, and nexus blades (again, most Euros take rewind here, which also makes little sense to me). The damage that follow through adds is huge. The problem, however, is that you are less able to hang in fights without first aid, so you can't realize your full damage potential in a lot of situations. Again, this problem is mitigated in pro games, but you can't always rely upon the timely heals in solo queue. Self-sufficiency is always a virtue in that arena. I feel like Rewind makes more sense than Nexus blades. If your goal is to proc follow through on each attack with rewind you can get 3 more procs which results in all your attacks doing 40% more damage compared to Nexus Blades only giving 20% more damage. Since you lack FA you aren't going to stick onto a target long enough to do anything more than your Rewind rotation. I don't understand Wormhole though if you take Rewind at 20 I think you have it backwards, actually. Rewind makes more sense with Wormhole than with Assassin's Blade. With Wormhole, you can Blink => Cleave => AA => Bomb => AA => Bomb => AA => Wormhole out (keep in mind this is a very tight window to get all of that off), then use Rewind to do the combo all over again. Is this the ideal Zeratul combo for when I'm trying to assassinate heroes? If you are using Wormhole and Follow Through, yes. If you are using Assassin's Blade and Follow Through, then it is Run to Target from Behind => AA => Cleave => AA => Bomb => AA => Bomb => AA => Blink Out or Stay and continue to AA depending upon the circumstances. If you aren't using Follow Through, then it is AA => Cleave => Bomb => Bomb (if you took Double Bomb, which I don't recommend without Follow Through) => AA => AA....
Awesome thanks
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On June 11 2015 00:40 Tenks wrote:
The only downside is now since Zeratul is more assassination focused it really leaves Nova out in a strange place. They both fill fairly similar roles in team fights but Nova doesn't have VP.
Nova will continue to be the newb assassin of choice. She'll be to Zeratul what Lili is to the other healers.
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I think she can do alright against the very popular HL 1+2 pick of KT + Jaina. Possibly better than Zeratul. But Zeratul can just VP them both in the back line and let your team destroy theirs since they have no more damage so who knows.
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Guilty pleasure of mine is to play Nova. I find her more fun than Zeratul. 
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On June 11 2015 01:52 Tenks wrote:
I think she can do alright against the very popular HL 1+2 pick of KT + Jaina. Possibly better than Zeratul. But Zeratul can just VP them both in the back line and let your team destroy theirs since they have no more damage so who knows.
Last few times I saw opposing double mage (or KT + Sylv) and I'm Illidan, I've actually gone for Hunt, the stun + burst potential on such a squishy glass target just feels so much more impactful than Meta over the frontline and hoping to chase them down anyways. Plus the stun limits KT's ability to zone out half the fight if you can land it before he tosses out Phoenix. Maybe this is a quick match thing as I've only tried it a few times there, but so far the results seem promising. So against a similar comp I would assume Nova blowing up KT/Jaina is better than VP.
On June 11 2015 02:40 vJehoelv wrote:Guilty pleasure of mine is to play Nova. I find her more fun than Zeratul.
Likewise, first time I got her I played her up to lvl 7. Culminating in a Blackheart's Bay game where we got crushed but I had 20+ takedowns out of a possible 25 (rest of my team was under 15). That's when I decided that Nova is just a win-more hero, maybe on a different map all those kills could have made a difference but they just didn't.
I also formed the opinion that Nova always looks AFK in games you're losing cuz she just can't do anything other than hit and run and when you're constantly losing teamfights... she can't risk revealing herself as often and her burst is heavily neutered by level disadvantages (I know everyone's burst is, but she has less sustain than other assassins so I'd argue it effects her more).
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