EPTHeroes Large General Thread - Page 435
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
On June 10 2015 02:39 hariooo wrote: I suppose non-straightforward would be a clearer way of putting it? Like your standard tanks/healers/dps are boring as hell in this game imo (it's like half the range/damage/stun duration of other games so nothing too crazy happens) but there are some heros with interesting concepts but I dunno if any of them are not like 10k per. Gazlowe then.  Cheap, non-straightforward, and actually good... Illidan and Anub'arak I guess. Anyway you can try any hero in the shop. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On June 10 2015 03:54 Ghostcom wrote: Well I think I would list Tyrande as well - not that she is particularly complex, but with 2 skill shots she is one of the more entertaining heroes to play I've found. And Owl is probably the most fun ability in the game to use. The cross-map snipes are wonderful. | ||
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On June 10 2015 04:27 Big G wrote: We were talking about cheap heroes... Tyrande is 7k Yeah, but then abathur, TLV, and murky were mentioned so I figured it would reasonable to mention simply great heroes and let it up to people themselves to figure out if they would pay the pricetag on them. | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
seems like a decent, solid game. Though not as good as it could be; there are definitely some flaws in the interface that could easily be made somewhat better imho; and champ balance doesn't seem as good as it could be. Some pusher and support heroes seriously lack playmaking abilities and harshly limit the ability of a good player to prop up their team; and specialist pushers often seem weak, seeing as most assassins can also push well, while also being good killers. The rule limiting talents until you've played a hero some feels like iffy design, while it may help people who are wholly new, it can also cripple a hero, by either preventing skill combos from being used, or by preventing you from using talents to adjust for your comp (like taking more damage focused skills if you end up with a low damage comp in quickmatch). | ||
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Weerwolf
75 Posts
The point is that most assasins can be decent at pushing, but only if they spec for it. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1613 Posts
All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward. You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat. So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day. Does anybody feel the same about this hero? Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1613 Posts
On June 10 2015 08:22 Zeon0 wrote: TLV are the best heroes for guys coming from Teamliquid (especially Zerg players, they are good at multitasking :D) As for me TLV multitasking are really rewarding in Dragon Shire. While in the other maps it's almost useless and you will just go them all together which is not the way how you should play them. So in the single mode with random maps they are quite useless. | ||
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vJehoelv
United States103 Posts
On June 10 2015 20:26 Jenia6109 wrote: As for me TLV multitasking are really rewarding in Dragon Shire. While in the other maps it's almost useless and you will just go them all together which is not the way how you should play them. So in the single mode with random maps they are quite useless. You are completely incorrect. They are best at sky temple and cursed hollow while being decent at dragonshire and garden. Their ability to soak lanes while your team pokes at objectives cannot be ignored. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On June 10 2015 20:01 Weerwolf wrote: Assasins are only 'decent' lane pushers if they actually able to assasinate the occupied lane. A Zeratul without a proper aoe talent (and thus giming his assasination damage) is a terrible pusher. A Nova without exploding shots and with three in the chamber also has a hard time killing any creep wave. The only one that is really able to push no matter what is our OP new hero Kael'Thas. The point is that most assasins can be decent at pushing, but only if they spec for it. Both Jaina and Valla are good pushers even without assassinating their opposition. No specc'ing needed for either (but just like for everyone else it helps). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45177 Posts
On June 10 2015 20:37 vJehoelv wrote: You are completely incorrect. They are best at sky temple and cursed hollow while being decent at dragonshire and garden. Their ability to soak lanes while your team pokes at objectives cannot be ignored. Agreed. It's kinda cool being able to get both shrines and the DK at the same time with just a TLV split though :D | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote: After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much. All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward. You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat. So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day. Does anybody feel the same about this hero? Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45177 Posts
On June 10 2015 22:07 Disengaged wrote: Being a Nova main myself I can understand the frustation but shes the most fun for me. It really helps going in knowing that this hero is not to push lanes. How are you playing her? How are you building her? Because her main job is to just move around the map looking for assassinations in order to help the other lanes. Also, once you hit 10 you gotta decide how are you going to play/build her past the laning phase. Are you going to continue roaming around the map looking for victims? Or are you going to be more team fight focused? While the build may be the same there is some variations in what you take for certain talents. Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 10 2015 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah this is something I've been coming to terms with, because I'm much more accustomed to (and generally prefer) lane-pushing instead of being a lone wolf/ sniper. It's certainly an interesting change though! Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45177 Posts
On June 10 2015 22:18 xDaunt wrote: Play Zeratul instead. He can do pretty much everything Nova can in terms of assassination while bringing a bunch more utility to the team. Zeratul is the superior pick like 95%+ of the time. He's definitely a hero I want to explore further, and I know a lot of top players (like that xDaunt guy) main/ frequently play him. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 10 2015 20:21 Jenia6109 wrote: After playing Nova for a while (a couple of months playing 2-3 games a week) i start to hate her really much. All she can do is snipe, snipe, snipe. I always use the only one build that seems the most effective. And her gameplay is so straightforward. You can't clear lanes. You can't attack anybody in front. You only can camp then snipe and hope that you will one-shot enemy hero. If not you are either die of go away and then repeat. So it's like repeating one thing on and on and on like groundhog day. Does anybody feel the same about this hero? Really wanna switch to another character. Maybe Tyrande. Yes. Nova is easily the most one-dimensional hero in the game and is probably the least effective at high levels. Her only strength, picking out squishies, is entirely negated by high-skilled team play. Both Jaina and Valla are good pushers even without assassinating their opposition. No specc'ing needed for either (but just like for everyone else it helps). AoE-oriented assassins (Jaina, KT) are good at pushing, but most specialists are just better. For those assassins to push, they have to blow relatively long CD's that limit their ability to do their main job (kill opposing heroes), and it also costs quite a bit of mana. Specialists are far more mana efficient with their pushing abilities and have abilities that are specifically helpful in minion clear and structure damage (Azmodan's generals/demon summoning, Sylvanas's Black Arrow, Gaz's turrets, etc.). | ||
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