The game seems to be getting better now. The new players are starting to understand it better, and i'm having a good time with tassadar. Now, this last match of course i got someone saying (because they died early game) "you are support, why were you alone top lane" instead of helping me do *something*". And I'm like. "humm i was soaking exp so we don't fall even more behind?" (we were 5 they were 7..) And then he tells me "did you just really said that? dont be noob this is not league of legends, we all lvl up at the same time". And of course, later in the game she died and lost 10 coins, and i had 0 deads

But, i somewhat feel that the games are sightly better now than a few weeks back (but certainly not at the level of the alpha games). We'll see how it develops.

Also, now that double storm can be casted in 3 seconds again (instead of 2 like they nerfed it to), and so it can be a full 6 seconds of damage, in combination with static charge and archon, do people use that talent? Or did they kept the "No deaths" Tassadar build?

edit: oh so it seems its more frequent than what i thought, i have also seen people atacking our zeratul/illidan, because they have a low hero dsamage "well, if our dps did something.." a shame really.

Ghostcom

Denmark4782 Posts

February 28 2015 20:29 GMT

#7210

My experience in quick matches have so far been that people grossly neglect the PvE/XP-farming part of the game resulting in one team being down 2 levels very quickly. Then again, perhaps I'm overvalueing that part.

Godwrath

Spain10131 Posts

February 28 2015 21:03 GMT

#7211

Well, sometimes you have to stop laning, even if you know it's the optimal play, because well, teammates. The biggest mistake people make is not being unaware of how the game works, but trying to do their own thing on a game completely based on teamwork, just because in theory it's the right play.

[Phantom]

Mexico2170 Posts

February 28 2015 21:29 GMT

#7212

I understand that point, but that rule, contrary to a lot of people's believes, doesn't always apply.
Everybody rush to the watch tower, and leave the bot lane alone on both sky temple and balckhearths. You can either then "play by what your team is doing" or go to bot lane and make sure you don't fall 2 lvls behind like we did.

That rule applies some times but not always, sometimes if you do that you will just throw the game.

BTW, there are still some weird bugs on the game. Is the skill of jaina...frostbolt, suppoused to pass through gates (i mean, my gates?? Cause i just died that way.

Alsom anyone watching? http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/channel/schamtoo

Superbanana

2369 Posts

February 28 2015 21:45 GMT

#7213

About the recent discussion about Arthas, try to compare him with Thrall and not with Stitches

yeah, he is a tank, but i think he is better as second tank and that will compete with a melee assassin (or ranged assassin or second support) during draft on current meta. He can root and do some damage while having a lot of sustain.

On a different topic, i hear people say its better to follow a bad plan than go for the right one alone, or split the team. I agree. But its somewhat harmful to the overall skill of the community.
Im spotting vices in gameplay, people follow wrong patterns and play consistently wrong. Too many Guerrilla terrors, hit and run when it would be better to push all with terror. Impatient dragon knights push immediatly as if dks ever got close to time out before they get low in health, should wait for assistance (specially the low level ones). Neglecting xp early on blackheart bay to deny the turn in of coins that will not make a bombardment. Risking a coin turn in when it will not result in a bombardment. Fighting for bruisers in mines as if they are as important as golem. There is more...
Better teams do make better decisions but i figured that at some point people are good enough to be somewhat coordinated but play consistently wrong and scold you for not following the bad plan.

merz

Sweden2760 Posts

February 28 2015 22:10 GMT

#7214

My fucking god please fix so that you have the chance to reconnect to the game lobby. Got a 2 quickmatch penalty for losing connection a few secs while in lobby. Now in que for quick match for 10 minutes. Oh the agony.

EDIT: Not to mention -1,5 rank in penalty points. Dunno just feels too harsh.

Godwrath

Spain10131 Posts

February 28 2015 22:29 GMT

#7215

On March 01 2015 06:29 [Phantom] wrote:
I understand that point, but that rule, contrary to a lot of people's believes, doesn't always apply.
Everybody rush to the watch tower, and leave the bot lane alone on both sky temple and balckhearths. You can either then "play by what your team is doing" or go to bot lane and make sure you don't fall 2 lvls behind like we did.

That rule applies some times but not always, sometimes if you do that you will just throw the game.

BTW, there are still some weird bugs on the game. Is the skill of jaina...frostbolt, suppoused to pass through gates (i mean, my gates?? Cause i just died that way.

Alsom anyone watching? http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/channel/schamtoo

Of course it doesn't always apply. But you would be surprised the amount of times you can get away with a shit plan, but obviously any kill you will do in the first minute of the game is basically pointless, you make that up with a minion xp wave.

I will watch later on, right now it's LDLC vs 3DMAX finals at TakeTV.

Also, i need a QQ therapy thread.

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Two games in a row, i get paired with the same dipshits. In both games we get early game advantadge, but not a small one, but a huge one. Then, they decide to throw the fucking game diving 3v5 three times on a row. On each game. Sepparatly. Like if it didn't work the first three times, maybe the next three times it will fucking work Fuck fucking fucktards.

KillerSOS

United States4207 Posts

February 28 2015 23:11 GMT

#7216

Is glaz really as bad as people are making him out to be?

sushiko

197 Posts

February 28 2015 23:29 GMT

#7217

more like bad players can't play gazlowe.

He isn't easy to play but provides enough to be useful in team fights and pushes. Contrary to popular belief, he is not JUST a merc killer.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

February 28 2015 23:31 GMT

#7218

Had a few games were everyone was trying to pick off each other. Made it to the lane used AoE, had to leave again to help teammates. Was hard work to keep the team even in levels and I really felt like I am playing it wrong because I was running around so much. But atleast a dwarf appearing out of nowhere gave some of kills right before objective time.
Staying without an enemy on the lane if no level up is close can be a mistake if it kills an overeager teammate before an objective. If a level up is going to happen with that wave it might be enough to help your teammates out enough.

And skill shots should go through enemy gates, I think ?

I also had a game were I did stay on my lane the entire game, since 2 of the opponents team were there the entire time. I thought fine, only 3 enemies for the rest of my team those 2 here can't zone me out to well, should be good for us. Was so soaked up in staying alive, that I didn't notice any tribute and the other 2 never left ... then my team got cursed and I was like wtf ?
Might have been better to leave my lane and let them kill the fort while we control the other 2 lanes and zone them out, the exp radius isn't to big, who knows really what the best play is. Some compositions can still work if behind in levels, some absolutely don't. There is a ton of depths to laning still even if there is no last hitting. Soaking exp is the savest option but not the ultimate truth Imo.

Also on Blackhearts bay its possible to jump between top and mid lane rather quickly. So that one could grab most exp from both lanes. They should add another map where jumping lanes works like this.

Blitzkrieg0

United States13132 Posts

February 28 2015 23:32 GMT

#7219

On March 01 2015 08:11 KillerSOS wrote:
Is glaz really as bad as people are making him out to be?

Your value as Gazlowe is related to how well you can land the bomb combo.

wongfeihung

United States763 Posts

February 28 2015 23:44 GMT

#7220

On March 01 2015 08:11 KillerSOS wrote:
Is glaz really as bad as people are making him out to be?

In my opinion, Gazlowe isn't as bad as some people make him out to be. I think a lot of people just don't know how to use him. I feel like he has to stay pretty hands-off in team fights up until mid to late game, depending on how you build him. But he's definitely not a hero someone can just pick up and play; there's a bit of a learning curve when it comes to getting the hang of him.