Heroes Large General Thread - Page 350

On February 23 2015 09:42 Lefiathen wrote:
The biggest problem of the game is that they removed indivuduality. While i like, and even applaud the removal of carries, because its a team game and everyone should work togheter to win, and not just one person carry the game, this game has the problem that one person can't win the game but one person can ABSOLUTELY lose you the game.

I'm tired of playing with clueless noobs, who keep taking the worst decitions ever, and lose the team the game. They always decide to suicide just before the mines or a tribute, havind a direct impact in the otucome of the game (causing a 4 vs 5 fight, causing the enemy team to have an 80 skull golem, etc). And teres absolutely nothing i can do because Blizz removed carries. Thats the only problem i see with the game: Good people can't carry the game, which i agree with, but then why bad people. even if its just one can ruin you the game?

This has really taken the enjoyment out of the game for me, specially since the game hit beta.

On February 23 2015 17:34 Markwerf wrote:
I agree the first 10 minutes of the game can not be very impactful depending on the map.

On haunted mines and sky temple the early game is really important because the maps snowball more and the games are just short. Also with the objective doing garanteed damage even if you do relatively poorly just being ahead on structures will give you the win usually.

Other maps however I feel the early game is too insignificant. If you just stay somewhat close in level which you usually will the game evens out quite a bit. Sure the trailing team may be behind a few forts and follow by a level or so but it isn't that bad. You have to avoid those 13v12, 16v15 and 20v19 fights for a bit but you are in fine shape to catch up and levels equalise out quite well, being behind 3 levels can easily change into getting level 20 only a minute later. The thing is here even if you are behind all forts that is off relatively little value lategame, if you win a teamfight then you can easily kill fort and keep on one side which will put you ahead.
It does feel often a bit too much that the earlygame is just to get small advantages, slightly better chance to win the teamfight later and getting ahead a building or two. I'd like to see death timers early on be slightly larger, especially lvl 1 to 5 they are silly low I think. Also I'd like to see destroying a fort be slightly more important, for example your creepwave gains +10% hp.
Would open the game up to some slightly fancier early game play I think like heavily pushing. Focussing on ganks could become a bit more attractive too perhaps.

On February 24 2015 01:00 Tenks wrote:
It is a reason I've gone back to playing some SC2. A game which is completely about individual play and execution.

On February 24 2015 01:19 Velr wrote:
So... This game is more social than other Mobas because it has even more of the stuff in it that makes people in other mobas rage?

Yeah.. That makes complete sense... ...

On February 24 2015 01:58 mordek wrote:
Is there a report feature post game? Haven't had occasion to try and use it yet.

On February 24 2015 01:29 [Phantom] wrote:
But it doesnt always work. As i have said before, i've had had people thanking me for taking the leadership, but most of the time people get mad because you tell them what to do/not to do and just start to fight or el even more stupid things. Recently i started to put a smiley face everytime i vive advixe so people dont feel like im being agressive, but there are stilñ lots of times where people either ignore/dont answer por justo starts to be agressive.

I think there should be a vote to kick to fix this thing, sadly im sure blizz wont do it.

On February 22 2015 22:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:

I have completely opposite experience from yours. Not my most played hero for sure, but I've tried both things out with Chen multiple times, as well played a ton with him on my team and against him.

To me SEF seems so situational that I go for Keg most of the time. If your opponents have like 2 spammable AoEs your SEF won't do anything even with their ability to spread since they need to be grouped up together to actually do damage. They aren't tanky at all against Heroes, when opponent jumps on us with Chen and use SEF I just laugh, as we kill all three pandas in 5 seconds more or less. It also doesn't last long. Yes, I've managed to do some things with SEF like killing two heroes that were retreating and staying alive with 10% HP after that, but that stuff rarely happens. You lose your most important role, and that is being tanky annoyance for the opponent team that constantly slows enemy team with Flying Kick and Keg Smash and ties them in place/create space for your other heroes to do damage. You just have SEF and they aren't even doing that much.

On the other hand Keg doesn't need a team built around it, it just needs a team and this is a team game... even if you are playing solo there is something wrong if you aren't constantly with your team. Keg is useful for so many stuff, you can steal Merc camps and Boss quite easily, and I've done it multiple times(and since Zeratul nerf he is probably the only hero that can do it this effectively). You can save your teammates when they are running from 5 guys, literally one ulti could save both of you by just knocking them back, you can zone out 3 enemy heroes while knocking 2 of them into your team, you can perma disable few heroes by just knocking them out of fight or trap them into corner and when you reach level 20 if you take improved Keg they can barely touch you with that speed or you can do even more sick things as you can knock one hero out of the map lol(also with addition of hardened shield I don't really know if improved Keg is worth picking). I don't think if I ever saw Chen dying while using Wandering Keg(except for one time where enemy used this with like 5% HP to escape lol), you are just fast, you can't be slowed and you are constantly interrupting enemy heroes with hits, and fights are usually so chaotic against him while he is using Wandering Keg that team can't even focus on something normally. I've yet to see Chen dropping from full to half HP while being in Wandering Keg and knocking whole enemy team around.