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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
January 19 2015 17:48 GMT
#5361
Which hero can Yolo Thrall 1v1 right now?
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 19 2015 17:57 GMT
#5362
Thrall can pretty much 1v1 everyone. Only possible exception would be Raynor if all his cooldowns are available.
Wat
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 18:00:54
January 19 2015 17:59 GMT
#5363
On January 20 2015 02:48 FreeZEternal wrote:
Which hero can Yolo Thrall 1v1 right now?

Straight up? None, really. Only Illidan has a chance if he times his evasion properly to dodge windfury. When I play Zeratul against Thrall, what I've found if I don't blow Thrall up instantly with my initial burst, I will lose. Even if he's has 10% health, he'll just regenerate all of his health due to his stupid passive and kill me.

EDIT: Some of the ranged heroes can kite him, like Hammer and Valla. Raynor probably could do.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 19 2015 18:14 GMT
#5364
On January 20 2015 02:29 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 23:46 FreeZEternal wrote:
Yup, I just play coop for all dailies. What's the point of doing quickmatch for them. Coop usually ends in less than 20 minutes, either lose fast or win fast.

Co-op can be like 18 mins, no? I can feed and lose a game in 10 mins if I try my best. Same gold reward.

I don't see how they'd differentiate that I'm not just terrible at the game. You can make it seem genuine pretty easily. It's the system's fault in the first place.

The issue I have with Thrall is that he literally kills you during the 3 attacks of his Windfury and his healing is enough to 1v2 especially if slightly ahead. No one else blows people up as fast from what I've seen. He likely will be weaker in premades etc. however.

I think I have yet to not finish a coop in under 15 min. It's full of people who are trying to get dailies done asap. You're either doing something wrong or getting matched with 4 first time players lol. You get two levels up in the first 5 min without breaking a sweat.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 19 2015 18:16 GMT
#5365
The AI seems to be ever so slightly less retarded this patch. Not sure if they actually changed it or if I just feel like they work a bit better together.
Wat
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
January 19 2015 18:22 GMT
#5366
About thrall I don't want it to be changed that much. I love that it is a hero that rewards you the longer you stay in a fight. Maybe tune down the damage, but not remove his heals or not that much, I love the concept of his mechanic even if it's imba right now.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 18:42:26
January 19 2015 18:40 GMT
#5367
Matchmaking, and thus ranking, only works when the player base is really big. This is true of any multiplayer game with matchmaking. You will have to wait until official release with >hundreds of thousands of concurrent players to have decent matchmaking. This is especially true if you are (actually) of higher skill level.
Raisauce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada864 Posts
January 19 2015 18:55 GMT
#5368
On January 20 2015 03:22 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
About thrall I don't want it to be changed that much. I love that it is a hero that rewards you the longer you stay in a fight. Maybe tune down the damage, but not remove his heals or not that much, I love the concept of his mechanic even if it's imba right now.


I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you main Orc Jesus.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
January 19 2015 19:03 GMT
#5369
I don't. I do own him and I do like his mechanic. I also agree that he's pretty strong right now but I really like that he is a hero that is rewarded for staying in a fight for a long time.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 19 2015 19:15 GMT
#5370
I got placed in a game today with Tychus, Thrall, Valla, Raynor and Abathur. I mean... what?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 19 2015 19:21 GMT
#5371
Check out Zuna and idream's new tier list here. Note where Thrall is on both. The other interesting change is Tyrael. I don't quite get why he'd be suddenly ranked higher as a consequence of resurgence being removed. He has always been my main tank, and I still liked him even post judgment nerf. And look how high Tassadar is ranked as a ranged carry on idream's list!
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
January 19 2015 19:46 GMT
#5372
On January 20 2015 04:21 xDaunt wrote:
Check out Zuna and idream's new tier list here. Note where Thrall is on both. The other interesting change is Tyrael. I don't quite get why he'd be suddenly ranked higher as a consequence of resurgence being removed. He has always been my main tank, and I still liked him even post judgment nerf. And look how high Tassadar is ranked as a ranged carry on idream's list!


I cannot take idream's list seriously with Tassadar there. Thrall, Raynor, and Chen are also way too low. Zuna having Lili tier 5 seems to indicate he hasn't updated it for the patch...but Thrall's there, so he's just insane.
Raisauce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada864 Posts
January 19 2015 20:00 GMT
#5373
On January 20 2015 04:46 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 04:21 xDaunt wrote:
Check out Zuna and idream's new tier list here. Note where Thrall is on both. The other interesting change is Tyrael. I don't quite get why he'd be suddenly ranked higher as a consequence of resurgence being removed. He has always been my main tank, and I still liked him even post judgment nerf. And look how high Tassadar is ranked as a ranged carry on idream's list!


I cannot take idream's list seriously with Tassadar there. Thrall, Raynor, and Chen are also way too low. Zuna having Lili tier 5 seems to indicate he hasn't updated it for the patch...but Thrall's there, so he's just insane.


Yeah, I wish there was some sort of explanation as to why some champions were moved up or down on that list. I`m assuming Tassadar is second because he has a lot utility along with a decent amount of damage. He makes a perfect secondary/backup assassin. I don't understand which changes caused them to put Tyrael ahead of Arthas. Surely it can't be because of the removal of resurgence of the storm?
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 19 2015 20:06 GMT
#5374
Arthas got hit harder with the removal of resurgeance than Tyreal IMO. Tyreal gets a really nice luxury talent at 20 for his Judgement which provides far more uptime on his engage. Arthas gets a few more ghouls which I suppose is nice but not as good.
Wat
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
January 19 2015 20:22 GMT
#5375
Well, I cannot take a tier list seriously if Li Li is bottom tier.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 22:10:37
January 19 2015 20:41 GMT
#5376
imo (in order of strongest to weakest)

tier 1:
Tychus - Stitches - Valla - Brightwing (rewind poly @ 13 too op) - Arthas

tier 2:
Uther - Thrall - Falstad - Nazeebo - Muradin - Kerrigan - Tassadar - Zeratul - Tyrael - Malfurion

tier 3:
Hammer - Illidan - Rehgar - Raynor - Zagara - Chen - Anub - Jaina

tier 4:
Tyrande - Abathur - Li Li - Diablo - Nova - Sonya

tier 5:
Gazlowe - Azmodan - Murky
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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 19 2015 20:47 GMT
#5377
Seems fair but I prefer the way it is laid out with the best to worst based upon role. Heck even within team comps the things change a bit. Like I prefer BW if we're all ranged DPS but prefer Uther if we're melee DPS. So I'd say BW == Uther as #1 support since they fill different comps with different strengths.
Wat
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 21:06:13
January 19 2015 21:05 GMT
#5378
Are Tierlists common in Lol or something?

Never saw something like this in Dota and it kinda weirds me out...
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
January 19 2015 21:09 GMT
#5379
I think when HotS develops more than one strategy maybe they can shake free of these oppressing tier lists.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
January 19 2015 21:09 GMT
#5380
Tier lists are pretty useless because they aren't informative for every map. For instance: Gazlowe on Cursed Hollow or Sky Temple is probably high T2, and he's T5 on all the other maps.
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