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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
 Lili is also fucking strong this patch.Basically I'd say there are only 3 tiers or maybe 4 with diablo alone in the last one. All the other heroes are more than viable. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Here's my list, with no particular intra-tier order being implied: Thrall Tier Thrall Tier 1 Uther, Brightwing, Zeratul, Stitches, Tychus Tier 2 Valla, Arthas, Muradin, Tyrael, Tassadar Tier 3 Falstad, Nazeebo, Kerrigan, Furion, Hammer, Lili, Rehgar, Raynor, Zagara, Chen, Anub, Nova, Good Illidans, Azmodan Tier 4 Abathur (so sad), Tyrande, ETC, Sonya, Murky (good Murky's keep him out of the basement), Gazlowe, Jaina Tier 5 Diablo, Bad Illidans The top 2 tiers are heroes that really can control a game for their teams, with tier 1 heroes doing it better than anyone not named Thrall. Tier 3 has solid heroes, but none are particularly gamebreaking. Tier 4 has the generally underpowered heroes (though I think Gazlowe is an exception depending upon maps). Tier 5 is the shit tier. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On January 20 2015 06:05 Velr wrote: Are Tierlists common in Lol or something? Never saw something like this in Dota and it kinda weirds me out... That is just outright false. When I was learning DOTA2 tier lists were everywhere. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1613 Posts
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On January 20 2015 07:57 Tenks wrote: That is just outright false. When I was learning DOTA2 tier lists were everywhere. The only thing i saw in dota about tiers, was a stat guy that posted monthly on reddit the most picked/banned heroes in Pro matches. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
Bags of power. Heroes in Tier 1 should be more usefull than Tier2, etc. Ofc, that list is, as TT1 said, his opinion. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1613 Posts
On January 20 2015 07:47 xDaunt wrote: I think tier lists are interesting conversation pieces for gauging the meta. Believe me, I don't take them as gospel for the relative strengths of heroes. Here's my list, with no particular intra-tier order being implied: Thrall Tier Thrall Tier 1 Uther, Brightwing, Zeratul, Stitches, Tychus Tier 2 Valla, Arthas, Muradin, Tyrael, Tassadar Tier 3 Falstad, Nazeebo, Kerrigan, Furion, Hammer, Lili, Rehgar, Raynor, Zagara, Chen, Anub, Nova, Good Illidans, Azmodan Tier 4 Abathur (so sad), Tyrande, Diablo, Sonya, Murky (good Murky's keep him out of the basement), Gazlowe, Jaina Tier 5 Diablo, Bad Illidans The top 2 tiers are heroes that really can control a game for their teams, with tier 1 heroes doing it better than anyone not named Thrall. Tier 3 has solid heroes, but none are particularly gamebreaking. Tier 4 has the generally underpowered heroes (though I think Gazlowe is an exception depending upon maps). Tier 5 is the shit tier. Diablo twice? | ||
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TT1
Canada10104 Posts
On January 20 2015 07:21 RouaF wrote: Gazlowe murky and azmodan are all VERY strong in the right hands. I've seen murkys destroy games alone by using clever egg position and just coming back again and again in teamfights, same for azmodans that know how to duel/teamfight with the blackpool ult, Gazlowe E R E combo can swing games alone etc etc etc. Sorry TT1 but you are misinformed Lili is also fucking strong this patch.Basically I'd say there are only 3 tiers or maybe 4 with diablo alone in the last one. All the other heroes are more than viable. Li Li is just a pure healer tho (even tho her burst heal is pretty strong. she can have good DPS too but its random and isnt burst dmg.. doesnt do much), she has no CC whatsoever and her ult is interrupt-able, her Q is a random heal aswell. Thats why Rehgar is pretty low on my list too, i dont like 1 dimensional heroes. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On January 20 2015 05:41 TT1 wrote: imo (in order of strongest to weakest) tier 1: Tychus - Stitches - Valla - Brightwing (rewind poly @ 13 too op) - Arthas tier 2: Uther - Thrall - Falstad - Nazeebo - Muradin - Kerrigan - Tassadar - Zeratul - Tyrael - Malfurion tier 3: Hammer - Illidan - Rehgar - Raynor - Zagara - Chen - Anub - Jaina tier 4: Tyrande - Abathur - Li Li - Diablo - Nova - Sonya tier 5: Gazlowe - Azmodan - Murky Just want to point out that Gazlowe is pretty fucking beast on Sky Temple. Definitely tier 2/3 potential, but sigh it's only one map... | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Whoops. Diablo is tier 5. Easily worst hero in the game. Etc should be tier 4. | ||
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TT1
Canada10104 Posts
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On January 20 2015 08:58 TT1 wrote: rank 1 is still pretty hard to get if ur solo Q'ing in most of your games and by hard you mean torture. | ||
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TT1
Canada10104 Posts
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Brian333
657 Posts
On January 20 2015 04:21 xDaunt wrote: Check out Zuna and idream's new tier list here. Note where Thrall is on both. The other interesting change is Tyrael. I don't quite get why he'd be suddenly ranked higher as a consequence of resurgence being removed. He has always been my main tank, and I still liked him even post judgment nerf. And look how high Tassadar is ranked as a ranged carry on idream's list! Because as a warrior, Tyrael is better. His level 20 ult upgrade for judgement is more useful than the level 20 options the other warriors have. Shorter CD and more range on Judgement is actually pretty good. The same reason why Stitches is generally regarded as better than Arthas now because he has Blink at 20 and Blink >>>>>>>>> the garbage Arthas has at 20. It's also why some even put Muradin at the same level as Arthas now. And, as for Thrall, his burst healing only happens if he lands a WF combo. A CL only gives him 3 passive stacks and while a single passive proc is still a substantial heal, it's not anything special. The issue is the 10 stacks a WF gives double procs his passive. But back to the point of assassins, yea, they all get blown up if focused. The issue is they have escapes. What people who cry about imbalance are missing is that rather than using an escape to back and wait for healing, Thrall relies on his passive to weather the storm and give his support more leeway. It's not that different from Illidan who relies on defensive talents + his passive life return to stay in the fight and has to exercise similar judgement in engaging (not coincidentally, he's also great at taking mercs). While WF can be used as an escape you can't use it to both deal damage and escape, it's one or the other before level 16. Even at 16, you need to land the WF hits to reset the CD. If something CCs you and wipes WF, you're basically out there naked in a blizzard. Regardless of all that, it's not on the level of Vault, Blink, escape Meta, Dimensional Shift, or Barrel roll that ignores collision. He needs something to make up for that especially since he's melee. His passive synergy is that something. You can tweak the numbers but doing so will easily turn him into another Illidan -- good in the hands of an elite player and utter garbage in the hands of 95% of people. It'd be nice to actually get assassins who are strong enough to break up the meta of top pick Valla and Tychus with Falstad shortly thereafter nearly every game. And I don't know, but the reasoning behind a lot of tier placements on lists is easily justifiable and understandable. Tassadar on iDream's list is understandable, Tyrael moving up, Uther moving down, etc. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On January 20 2015 11:24 Brian333 wrote: Because as a warrior, Tyrael is better. His level 20 ult upgrade for judgement is more useful than the level 20 options the other warriors have. Shorter CD and more range on Judgement is actually pretty good. The same reason why Stitches is generally regarded as better than Arthas now because he has Blink at 20 and Blink >>>>>>>>> the garbage Arthas has at 20. It's also why some even put Muradin at the same level as Arthas now. And, as for Thrall, his burst healing only happens if he lands a WF combo. A CL only gives him 3 passive stacks and while a single passive proc is still a substantial heal, it's not anything special. The issue is the 10 stacks a WF gives double procs his passive. But back to the point of assassins, yea, they all get blown up if focused. The issue is they have escapes. What people who cry about imbalance are missing is that rather than using an escape to back and wait for healing, Thrall relies on his passive to weather the storm and give his support more leeway. It's not that different from Illidan who relies on defensive talents + his passive life return to stay in the fight and has to exercise similar judgement in engaging (not coincidentally, he's also great at taking mercs). While WF can be used as an escape you can't use it to both deal damage and escape, it's one or the other before level 16. Even at 16, you need to land the WF hits to reset the CD. If something CCs you and wipes WF, you're basically out there naked in a blizzard. Regardless of all that, it's not on the level of Vault, Blink, escape Meta, Dimensional Shift, or Barrel roll that ignores collision. He needs something to make up for that especially since he's melee. His passive synergy is that something. You can tweak the numbers but doing so will easily turn him into another Illidan -- good in the hands of an elite player and utter garbage in the hands of 95% of people. It'd be nice to actually get assassins who are strong enough to break up the meta of top pick Valla and Tychus with Falstad shortly thereafter nearly every game. And I don't know, but the reasoning behind a lot of tier placements on lists is easily justifiable and understandable. Tassadar on iDream's list is understandable, Tyrael moving up, Uther moving down, etc. Tassadar is damn near impossible to kill, but other than that he doesn't do very much. He basically has a nerfed version of Tychus's ult and a support kit. Other than them deciding to sit in Psi-storm forever, his damage is negligible. Add to that the build that he has on that tier list involves his E talents over damage talents and you have basically a Twilight Archon's worth of damage before you're useless. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Double Diablo. What does it mean?! | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Now about tyrael, hes pretty good, hes very mobile, has a great initiatior and escape, can displace enemies, has a good stun that as they said, get better with the 20 lvl talents (contrary to those of arthas wich are meh). Also to be honest, altough arthas kit is pretty good, his kit isnt' the best, like muradins kit is 100% better, he has a slow just like arthas, but he also has a stun which is better than a root, his both ultimates are pretty good too, and has a nice initiation skills and escape, but his cooldowns are too long and arthas has beetter mana regen. The only thing i don't agree with is reghar being the last one, hes great, but hey competitive is a different world than casual play. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 20 2015 12:49 deth2munkies wrote: Tassadar is damn near impossible to kill, but other than that he doesn't do very much. He basically has a nerfed version of Tychus's ult and a support kit. Other than them deciding to sit in Psi-storm forever, his damage is negligible. Add to that the build that he has on that tier list involves his E talents over damage talents and you have basically a Twilight Archon's worth of damage before you're useless. Tassadar is a good hybrid support, but I wouldn't rely upon him for DPS. In fact, his damage is quite bad before level 16 when he gets double storm. | ||
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