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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1556 Posts
October 30 2013 05:01 GMT
#141
You have to be quite far above the average to make it worth your while. Anytime you get less than 4 wins, you would have been better to buy packs and Play instead.

Hopefully, they'll increase the gold for poor results at release.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 30 2013 05:20 GMT
#142
I don't see your reasoning behind that statement.
Ender2701
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States581 Posts
October 30 2013 06:16 GMT
#143
On October 30 2013 03:30 dae wrote:
About the arena matchmaking.

I have tried to queue snipe friends by queing up for arena at the same time as them.

Most of the time even if you que at the exact same time, it will not match you up together right away, and most likely will match you up with 2 different opponents instead of each other.

This leads me to assume there's SOMETHING that blizzard takes into account for arena matchmaking instead of just pure match people up as fast as possible. Whether this something is just a delay then random selection, or delay then random weighted selected based on deck record, or based on something else entirely I do not know. Could just be a mmr rating assigned to you based on deck record, then expanding range of matchable elo until someone matchs it.


Earlier in beta when there were not as many people in my friend and I did this and it worked fine (we got matched up against each other). We tried recently and it hasn't worked though.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
October 30 2013 06:33 GMT
#144
On October 30 2013 15:16 Ender2701 wrote:
Earlier in beta when there were not as many people in my friend and I did this and it worked fine (we got matched up against each other). We tried recently and it hasn't worked though.



I have tried to do this in arena as well about 3 weeks ago a couple times with several attempts to get this done. I have also tried it multiple times since even very late at night (4-5am NA server time) I think there maybe some de-prioritization on getting a queue up (especially in arena) with someone on your friends list. IT would make sense if this was the case because you wouldn't want collusion to potentially come into play with arena.
DPK
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada487 Posts
October 30 2013 06:58 GMT
#145
On October 30 2013 14:01 Pwere wrote:
You have to be quite far above the average to make it worth your while. Anytime you get less than 4 wins, you would have been better to buy packs and Play instead.

Hopefully, they'll increase the gold for poor results at release.


IMO, playing the Arena is worth more than just buying a pack. Sure in the beginning you will loose some gold but after a while, you will start winning more and your rewards will be a lot better and worth it. Even if you have a bad score in Arena, you at least have a pack and some gold as rewards (I had a pack and like 40gold for going 2-3 in my 1st attempt). I also think arena make you learn the game faster and better. Buying pack with gold isn't a better idea from my point of view.
Desire.Discipline.Dedication
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1556 Posts
October 30 2013 07:53 GMT
#146
Arena is really fun and a good learning experience, but if you simply want the best value to get cards for your constructed decks, it's only worth it if you're above average. The fact that you "lose" gold by playing Arena and doing poorly is really bad design, imo.

They might be counting on people using the juicy D3 money to buy into it it though, but it must be really depressing to be a neophyte in arena with the current rewards.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 30 2013 08:04 GMT
#147
I'm not sure what you consider average or above average but you must be really bad (1-3 consistently) to lose gold. Going 2-3 in arena gives you back the 50g entry fee for the most part.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
October 30 2013 08:19 GMT
#148
I just got into beta. The game stops at the 'click to play' screen. Where can i vent my frustration?
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 30 2013 08:20 GMT
#149
Whats the other way to make gold?
The only way ive been doing it, is arena run (if you run low a daily quest is normally enough 40 gold :D and they normally require u to play like 2-3 ladder games which is 10 gold)
Also getting 100 arena wins and 100 ladder wins gives u a ton of gold cant remember how much tho.
But ive been wondering how do constructed players go about making gold (3 games for 10 gold seems soooo slow)
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
PushDown
Profile Joined December 2011
Italy208 Posts
October 30 2013 08:31 GMT
#150
On October 30 2013 17:20 Shock710 wrote:
Whats the other way to make gold?
The only way ive been doing it, is arena run (if you run low a daily quest is normally enough 40 gold :D and they normally require u to play like 2-3 ladder games which is 10 gold)
Also getting 100 arena wins and 100 ladder wins gives u a ton of gold cant remember how much tho.
But ive been wondering how do constructed players go about making gold (3 games for 10 gold seems soooo slow)


Once you got all the achievements, you can build yourself a Rush deck for farming gold. The idea the deck should have is win or lose in 7-8turns top. An example of a rush deck would be Murlock or the OTK (one turn kill) Chanman's Unleash the hounds works too for this purpose.
Cogito ergo sum
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 08:41:17
October 30 2013 08:39 GMT
#151
On October 30 2013 17:31 PushDown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 17:20 Shock710 wrote:
Whats the other way to make gold?
The only way ive been doing it, is arena run (if you run low a daily quest is normally enough 40 gold :D and they normally require u to play like 2-3 ladder games which is 10 gold)
Also getting 100 arena wins and 100 ladder wins gives u a ton of gold cant remember how much tho.
But ive been wondering how do constructed players go about making gold (3 games for 10 gold seems soooo slow)


Once you got all the achievements, you can build yourself a Rush deck for farming gold. The idea the deck should have is win or lose in 7-8turns top. An example of a rush deck would be Murlock or the OTK (one turn kill) Chanman's Unleash the hounds works too for this purpose.

O_o still seems so slow just to get gold, like atm i got it very recently (thankyou shiro) and like i love playing the arena because i have a set of expensive decklists i need to make (with dust and hopefully some pack luck) so running through the arena seems like the best choice, i get to have fun with arena and i dont get bored cause i havnt even finished my decks :D

But lets say ur a top constructed players and u've got 2 main expensive decks (expensive i mean like you used a ton of dust) how do you go about making new ones (sure some cards carry over like legendaries) but as far as i know u dont get dust or alot of gold to create new cards/buy new cards (through pack luck) by laddering (like ladder reward seems so tiny)

Does this mean everyone has to arena run to make decks (not counting buying a shit ton of packs and praying) i mean like in game. I seriously doubt farming at 10 gold per 3 win (not matter how fast u win) and then spending 100 gold on a pack and hoping for a card you require is a good way to go. (also disenchanting worthwhile cards probably from ur other top decks seems like a counterproductive idea to get new ones)
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1556 Posts
October 30 2013 08:39 GMT
#152
On October 30 2013 17:04 skyR wrote:
I'm not sure what you consider average or above average but you must be really bad (1-3 consistently) to lose gold. Going 2-3 in arena gives you back the 50g entry fee for the most part.
I've never had above 25g for going 3-3, and no clue how much it pays below that, but you get "expert" cards as reward (aka 5 dust) so it can't be that high. 4-3 is the breakeven point, and I can only imagine that for every 9-0 run there are three 0-3 folks out there...
Reere
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Taiwan127 Posts
October 30 2013 08:43 GMT
#153
But ive been wondering how do constructed players go about making gold (3 games for 10 gold seems soooo slow)

3 games for 10 gold feels really good actually imo. You spam enough games they add up pretty quickly. Before the big patch it was 5 wins for 5 gold~
http://twitter.com/ReereSC |SC2 GM Zerg| Hearthstone M3/GM |Founder of loothoarder.com
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
October 30 2013 08:43 GMT
#154
is there any way to see where your rank stand among all players??
I am losing motivation playing after master 3 stars. =(
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 30 2013 08:46 GMT
#155
On October 30 2013 17:43 Reere wrote:
Show nested quote +
But ive been wondering how do constructed players go about making gold (3 games for 10 gold seems soooo slow)

3 games for 10 gold feels really good actually imo. You spam enough games they add up pretty quickly. Before the big patch it was 5 wins for 5 gold~

ah XD i guess~~~ it probably feels slow to me because i only play ladder games for the daily quest and it ends being like 10 gold, but when i do an arena run i can definitely feel the increase when i click those boxs and :O moniesss!
But that still doesnt answer how constructed players make decks (from scratch) they gotta arena run for the dust right?
would you be happy if it was 3wins gives 10 gold and 5 dust? that way a hardcore constructed ladder player would also be able to make his decks
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34493 Posts
October 30 2013 08:49 GMT
#156
You can disenchant cards you don't need for additional dust.
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PushDown
Profile Joined December 2011
Italy208 Posts
October 30 2013 08:56 GMT
#157
@Shock710: It's as you say, you can have the cards you need by buying packs (I've seen people with 30k, 15k gold: you make the maths on how much money that is ).

The fastest way to get cards/dust is by winning arenas (6+), as long as you don't go always 0-3 playing arena is the better choice than getting a pack for 100g. You can make the 50 gold difference with the dust/gold the arena gives you.

Remember that arena has a chance to give you a random card togheter with the other prizes (and for what my experience has been, the chances for it to be golden are really good*).

*I'm not talking about the golden card you get at 9 wins. And also it' may just have been me and my luck, but considering out of 50+ packs I've opened only 2 had legendaries... I think my luck is a non factor on the golden cards

----

For a game that is FTP, the amount of gold you get for 3 wins is really nice. Pre-patch, as mentioned, 5 gold for 5 wins was a long grind and I still thought It was fair ^^"
Cogito ergo sum
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
October 30 2013 09:13 GMT
#158
found this site pretty explain how to farm gold
http://coldsgoldfactory.blogspot.sg/2013/09/Hearthstone-Beta-Gold-Grinding.html

but it still takes wayyyyyyyy to long zzz ,i wan unlimited arena!!
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 09:37:56
October 30 2013 09:14 GMT
#159
On October 30 2013 17:56 PushDown wrote:
@Shock710: It's as you say, you can have the cards you need by buying packs (I've seen people with 30k, 15k gold: you make the maths on how much money that is ).

The fastest way to get cards/dust is by winning arenas (6+), as long as you don't go always 0-3 playing arena is the better choice than getting a pack for 100g. You can make the 50 gold difference with the dust/gold the arena gives you.

Remember that arena has a chance to give you a random card togheter with the other prizes (and for what my experience has been, the chances for it to be golden are really good*).

*I'm not talking about the golden card you get at 9 wins. And also it' may just have been me and my luck, but considering out of 50+ packs I've opened only 2 had legendaries... I think my luck is a non factor on the golden cards

----

For a game that is FTP, the amount of gold you get for 3 wins is really nice. Pre-patch, as mentioned, 5 gold for 5 wins was a long grind and I still thought It was fair ^^"


And the thing is that every now and then you'll end up profiting even from a 1-3 run or something. One of those 1-3 runs netted me a legendary, an epic and a rare from the prize pack. I'd say that for sure was worth it.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Reere
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Taiwan127 Posts
October 30 2013 09:20 GMT
#160
On October 30 2013 17:46 Shock710 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 17:43 Reere wrote:
But ive been wondering how do constructed players go about making gold (3 games for 10 gold seems soooo slow)

3 games for 10 gold feels really good actually imo. You spam enough games they add up pretty quickly. Before the big patch it was 5 wins for 5 gold~

ah XD i guess~~~ it probably feels slow to me because i only play ladder games for the daily quest and it ends being like 10 gold, but when i do an arena run i can definitely feel the increase when i click those boxs and :O moniesss!
But that still doesnt answer how constructed players make decks (from scratch) they gotta arena run for the dust right?
would you be happy if it was 3wins gives 10 gold and 5 dust? that way a hardcore constructed ladder player would also be able to make his decks


I think most 'hardcore' constructed players have spent real $$ for packs. I've heard of some cases where the player dumps all gold into packs, doing zero arena runs. Whether that's efficient or not I'm not sure~
http://twitter.com/ReereSC |SC2 GM Zerg| Hearthstone M3/GM |Founder of loothoarder.com
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