EPTWhy Muslim Uighurs are angry in China ? - Page 4
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Whiplash
United States2929 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 07 2009 17:58 Aegraen wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2009 17:51 MK wrote: that's why in Japan, immigration is a very big issue and usually, people can't "become" Japanese. Also, imo, it's very hard for Alien to actually live in Japan... PS : strange to think that maybe one day Europe could be muslim. One day? Try very soon. Maybe Europe will realize there mistake... "Famille Chrétienne ask de Villiers : Why are you so focused on the theme of Turkey and Islamization? "Quite simply because we will see the first transformations of churches into mosques in the coming three years. At any rate, that is what Nicolas Sarkozy told me." So Nicholas Sarkozy, the president of France, a Christian country, which sent Knights to the Holy Land under order of the Pope to take back Jerusalem and stop persecution of Christians by Muslims is not going to do anything while Islam converts churches to Mosques? I wonder how France's Christian population thinks on this? Famille Chrétienne ask de Villiers : When? "I had an in depth discussion with him at Elysée at the end of last year. He said to me: "You have intuition, I have the figures. And your intuition is confirmed by my figures. The Islamization of Europe is inevitable." Careful: it's a process that will not occur overnight, but will take decades." "Famille Chrétienne ask de Villiers : Why does this issue appear to be of central importance to you? "Most politicians have a comforting ignorance of what Islam is and propose transforming Europe into a supermarket of competing religions. Unaware that Islam is not only a religion since, by melding the temporal and the spiritual, it imposes a law. But behind this comforting ignorance of politicians, there are those who know. (...) The reality is that we are headed for a criss-cross (chassé-croisé) with, on one side, Europe and its en masse abortions, its promotion of gay marriage, and on the other, immigration en masse" (...)" "Famille Chrétienne ask de Villiers : Aren't you exaggerating the dimensions of the phenomenon? "No. The crux of the issue is simple: Europe is refusing its own demographic future. And it is working with a fearsome weapon towards this end, written into the Charter of fundamental rights appended to the treaty of Lisbon: the promotion of gay marriage. This in turn is accomplished through the principle of non-discrimination and the disassociation of marriage from the sex of the spouses (which appears in article 7 of the Charter of fundamental rights). In reality, there are two weapons being used by European leaders to kill Europe demographically: the promotion of gay marriage and en masse abortions. And a third: the recourse to immigration that is 80% Islamic in order to replace the people who are no longer there" (...)" Nicolas Sarkozy's own words...Europe might want to heed these and all other countries might want to watch and take notes :cough: America. Haha. De Villiers is a douche. And famille chrétienne is an hard right catholic magazine. They aren't biased at all :D Also i agree with the Chinese being asocial at uni ( personal experience ) but i think it is mostly because they suck at French. Students coming from Africa or Spain are way more social but they are also more fluent eh. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
It is particularly hard for home - grown Chinese to understand some of the finer points of Western socialisation. Majority of them would go back to China once they finish their studies so it makes no sense to get frustrated all the time interacting with the locals. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 07 2009 22:26 haduken wrote: They are not anti-social; they just have trouble interpreting signals from westerners. It is particularly hard for home - grown Chinese to understand some of the finer points of Western socialisation. Majority of them would go back to China once they finish their studies so it makes no sense to get frustrated all the time interacting with the locals. Well on Western standarts they act asocially :O And since they are studying in Western countries... | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
On July 07 2009 22:02 Whiplash wrote: Finally Chinese vs Muslims! *grabs popcorn* lol, you better get a really big bag of popcorns cuz if it's going to happen, we are going to see fireworks and hollywood-like warzone for a while  | ||
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
On July 07 2009 19:38 Carnac wrote: Nice explanation The Storyteller, thank you <3 It's really not a nice explanation, full of bias and misunderstanding. Singaporeman doesn't understand Chinese history and culture. And, I am very strange that they care about Chinese politics even more than Chinese. In China, politics? who cares. | ||
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panda_inc
Australia170 Posts
* 1,434 people were arrested but only 200 family members showed up to complain so that means possibly only 100~ people were wrongfully detained NOT the picture of mass arbitrary arrests that the article tries to paint. * "Armed with rifles and tear gas" but did not say they were USED, the protesters "sat on the ground" so logical deduction tells us they were not under any physical stress. * Now A large scaled riot just happened days ago so it is no surprised that the riot police were prepared for the worst: the article again tries to paint an image of a heavy handed crackdown "charged and surrounded" "armed with rifles and tear gas" and then after conjuring up this image it evokes the readers imagination "no one knows what happened". * Near the end the article says Many of the victims in the hospital are han but there are Uhigurs and Hui too. Logically if the majority of the victims are not Uhigurs then obviously there is no heavy handed crackdown. Since most of the 800 injuried are han then it pretty much sums up the seriousness of the violence during the riot which the BBC talks nothing about. | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
On July 07 2009 23:09 asleepingpig wrote: It's really not a nice explanation, full of bias and misunderstanding. Singaporeman doesn't understand Chinese history and culture. And, I am very strange that they care about Chinese politics even more than Chinese. In China, politics? who cares. Instead of immediately thinking "oh, nobody understands us except us", why don't you take a note from your own... oops, OUR own language? “当局者迷，旁观者清”。(The chess player is blinded, the spectator sees more clearly) If you prefer to think that "What's the reason for this conflict? It's due to special policies! Before this conflict, one Uighur worker raped several Han girls, but he was released again and again and police could do nothing for them. Han Chinese can bear other favarable policies, but they can't bear the favarable policy for minority criminals!" and "There is only one reason, Uighur thieves in every China city who are free from law. Nobody cannot hate them." is free from bias, go right ahead. If you don't think you need to explain why you think my explanation is incorrect, you're welcome to do so too. And it is true that most Chinese don't care about politics. In fact, most people in the world don't care about politics. But that is a problem you should be worried about, and not a problem to be proud of. | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
It's really not a nice explanation, full of bias and misunderstanding. Singaporeman doesn't understand Chinese history and culture. And, I am very strange that they care about Chinese politics even more than Chinese. In China, politics? who cares. ? are you serious ? It seems to me that Chinese CARES A LOT about politics. | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
On July 07 2009 20:12 MK wrote: Ok, so China doesn't care about religion and race and is ok with everything if no trouble and unite country, right ? It seems pretty ok for me. Pretty fair. It's generally okay, but it's a bit extreme sometimes. Like the Dalai Lama has said that Tibet should not be independent, but the existence of a leader the Chinese government cannot control is seen as a threat, so even his existence is unacceptable. Likewise with Catholicism. Most countries have no problems with it, but the Chinese government sees the pope as a problem. But to be fair to them, the majority of the Chinese feel very strongly about keeping the country united, and I do think the government is kind of representing their opinions. | ||
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
On July 07 2009 23:36 The Storyteller wrote: Instead of immediately thinking "oh, nobody understands us except us", why don't you take a note from your own... oops, OUR own language? “当局者迷，旁观者清”。(The chess player is blinded, the spectator sees more clearly) If you prefer to think that "What's the reason for this conflict? It's due to special policies! Before this conflict, one Uighur worker raped several Han girls, but he was released again and again and police could do nothing for them. Han Chinese can bear other favarable policies, but they can't bear the favarable policy for minority criminals!" and "There is only one reason, Uighur thieves in every China city who are free from law. Nobody cannot hate them." is free from bias, go right ahead. If you don't think you need to explain why you think my explanation is incorrect, you're welcome to do so too. And it is true that most Chinese don't care about politics. In fact, most people in the world don't care about politics. But that is a problem you should be worried about, and not a problem to be proud of. English is not my mother language. It's meaningless that I take a lot of time to correct your misunderstandings. However, just according to your second question and answer, isn't it a very ridiculous bias? I once took Singapore flight and read some Singapore newspaper. I couldn't find even one good news for China. All news were about bad side. It's similar like China in 20 or 30 years before. The government newspaper/TV only reported bad side of USA and Europe countries. So I don't believe a Singapore who only read bad side news could really understand China. | ||
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panda_inc
Australia170 Posts
Most of them (in the hospital) – 233 – were Han. But 39 were Uighur, 15 were Hui – another Muslim minority – and four came from other ethnic groups. | ||
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
On July 07 2009 23:39 MK wrote: ? are you serious ? It seems to me that Chinese CARES A LOT about politics. Most Chinese cares about Japanese AV and Kuso more than China or international politics. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On July 07 2009 23:50 asleepingpig wrote: I once took Singapore flight and read some Singapore newspaper. I couldn't find even one good news for China. All news were about bad side. It's similar like China in 20 or 30 years before. The government newspaper/TV only reported bad side of USA and Europe countries. So I don't believe a Singapore who only read bad side news could really understand China. I've read every single post in this thread. I usually never stick my nose into these threads, but your posts is getting a bit biased and a bit ignorant. Try to take a step back. Granted there are also others that doesn't fully understand the situation/China itself and are giving their two cents, but still. | ||
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
On July 08 2009 00:02 Fishball wrote: I've read every single post in this thread. I usually never stick my nose into these threads, but your posts is getting a bit biased and a bit ignorant. Try to take a step back. Granted there are also others that doesn't fully understand the situation/China itself and are giving their two cents, but still. Thank you for your suggestion. I might be angry about something or someone. But for Storyteller's long post, do you think the second question and answer is very ridiculous and biased? | ||
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neutralstate
Singapore51 Posts
On July 07 2009 23:50 asleepingpig wrote: English is not my mother language. It's meaningless that I take a lot of time to correct your misunderstandings. However, just according to your second question and answer, isn't it a very ridiculous bias? I once took Singapore flight and read some Singapore newspaper. I couldn't find even one good news for China. All news were about bad side. It's similar like China in 20 or 30 years before. The government newspaper/TV only reported bad side of USA and Europe countries. So I don't believe a Singapore who only read bad side news could really understand China. So you're basing your opinion on a single issue of the Straits Times (or 联合早报）? That's being pretty biased. When negative things occur, they are reported. When positive things occur, they are reported as well. If it didn't happen our papers will not have reported it. Just a peek in the Straits Times today reports that China has swept all the table tennis golds in the Asian Youth Games and a feature on one of your young and rising star players. Pretty positive news I'd say. | ||
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
On July 08 2009 00:12 neutralstate wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2009 23:50 asleepingpig wrote: English is not my mother language. It's meaningless that I take a lot of time to correct your misunderstandings. However, just according to your second question and answer, isn't it a very ridiculous bias? I once took Singapore flight and read some Singapore newspaper. I couldn't find even one good news for China. All news were about bad side. It's similar like China in 20 or 30 years before. The government newspaper/TV only reported bad side of USA and Europe countries. So I don't believe a Singapore who only read bad side news could really understand China. So you're basing your opinion on a single issue of the Straits Times (or 联合早报）? That's being pretty biased. When negative things occur, they are reported. When positive things occur, they are reported as well. If it didn't happen our papers will not have reported it. Just a peek in the Straits Times today reports that China has swept all the table tennis golds in the Asian Youth Games and a feature on one of your young and rising star players. Pretty positive news I'd say. I can't remember it exactly, it should be 联合早报。Just now I visited its website and indeed found a few positive news about China among hundreds of news. Sorry for my mistake. http://www.zaobao.com/special/china/cnpol/cnpol.shtml | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
"Peace is boring, everyone wants to watch war movies" (dixit M. Bay) | ||
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themonkyguy
Australia149 Posts
 It kind of saddens me that the western media seems to enjoy bagging on everything the chinese govenment do unless cute pandas are involved lol. If my experience as a Hui chinese (the other muslim minority) is worth anything, the chinese government treats the minorities well, perhaps too well. The whole being lenient to minority criminal thing is not very cool. As far as religious freedom goes, we have a pretty big mosque in the middle of my hometown Guangzhou and we are free to worship there whenever. (not that I do lol, im not very religious, and I never learnt how to read all the Arabic stuff...) | ||
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