EPTWhy Muslim Uighurs are angry in China ? - Page 5
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
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MK
United States496 Posts
On July 08 2009 00:37 asleepingpig wrote: Critics can always find bad things because it's their job. But when you criticize something just because you want to do it and do it everyday. You will lose the readers as it becomes boring too. Iran election, Aribus got down, Airbus got down bis, Chinese crazy mad killing riot... well, they still got a large group of readers. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
a new round of "revenge" launch by local Han people is going on, expect more deaths in the next few days, internet access in the region and access to Twitter had been CUT DOWN by Chinese goverment. I am totally fine with whatever methods Chinese goverment imply to control over their country, but come on, I've been living in agony without Youtube for months...and now Twitter....*sigh* | ||
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themonkyguy
Australia149 Posts
On July 08 2009 00:43 MK wrote: Iran election, Aribus got down, Airbus got down bis, Chinese crazy mad killing riot... well, they still got a large group of readers. Yep, everybody loves the doom and gloom section of the newspaper. :D | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
On July 08 2009 01:02 Caphe wrote: Just as we are discussing this matter, a new round of "revenge" launch by local Han people is going on, expect more deaths in the next few days, LOL Muslim V Han is definitely coming aahhah | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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MK
United States496 Posts
 It makes us looking heroic :D | ||
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uberMatt
Canada659 Posts
On July 08 2009 01:12 KissBlade wrote: To respond to the op's main question but it's mostly because countries like the US funds insurgent activities. I'll anticipate some people calling bs on that one but I'll point out a few things. One, the US has done so in the past when the Soviets was their rival (see Afgan) as well as various groups in the Middle East. If one even looks into US history, one'd realize there was NUMEROUS incidents where the US would fund terrorism activities in other nations for it's own gain. Second, as already mentioned, not only do minorities tend to get preferential treatment in China (especially compared to Western nations), the Muslims living in China has had peaceful relations with the Han majority for centuries including the times of turmoil, etc. Now that living conditions in China are rising constantly, all the sudden the West is pointing fingers at the deplorable living conditions of people living there? Does it not seem a bit odd to you? I mean US and England sure puts forth a lot of talk about human rights, etc but rarely seem to mention they're the two nations that's actually committed genocide in the past ... But meh, I'll no doubt get attacked again by many people calling me names about this point but whatever. ugh you really have no idea what you're talking about (a) it's well documented that mi6 and the cia are funding terrorist groups in the mainly muslim provinces of china, however the terrorist groups were there before foreign funding. foreign funding is not the cause of the unrest, the han government is. you can't just give money to people and cause civil unrest, there has to be something there first. (b) the text in bold is laughable. its also well documented how badly muslims have been mistreated in china. (c) "[the] US and England sure puts forth a lot of talk about human rights, etc but rarely seem to mention they're the two nations that's actually committed genocide in the past" i'm going to just assume you don't have a full grasp of the english language, and did not mean what that sentence implies. (d) and then in your final sentence you proceed to insult everyones intelligence by implying that we will ignore the validity of your post because on the content. nice. also i have no idea what this statement means: "Now that living conditions in China are rising constantly, all the sudden the West is pointing fingers at the deplorable living conditions of people living there? Does it not seem a bit odd to you?" perhaps you could explain it to me | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
On July 07 2009 23:50 asleepingpig wrote: English is not my mother language. It's meaningless that I take a lot of time to correct your misunderstandings. However, just according to your second question and answer, isn't it a very ridiculous bias? I once took Singapore flight and read some Singapore newspaper. I couldn't find even one good news for China. All news were about bad side. It's similar like China in 20 or 30 years before. The government newspaper/TV only reported bad side of USA and Europe countries. So I don't believe a Singapore who only read bad side news could really understand China. Oh, hahaha... the second question was a joke! Of course I don't think the Chinese still see everyone else as barbarians and devils! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm not sure why you think Singapore newspapers only report bad stuff about China. For us, China is a good place to work and invest and there's lots of good stuff reported too. Anyway, with the internet, we can always access Chinese news online. Like Xinhua and CCTV in both English and Chinese. I just read the Overseas Uighur Group is now accusing the government of stoking tensions by shooting the crowd! That is just so unbelievable... I really doubt the Chinese government would do that. No evidence either. This tragic event is turning into a political football. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
On July 08 2009 11:56 The Storyteller wrote: I just read the Overseas Uighur Group is now accusing the government of stoking tensions by shooting the crowd! That is just so unbelievable... I really doubt the Chinese government would do that. No evidence either. This tragic event is turning into a political football. Yeah, its not like the chinese goverment has ever shot innocent civilians during times of political unrest... Wait, what? | ||
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
On July 08 2009 11:56 The Storyteller wrote: Oh, hahaha... the second question was a joke! Of course I don't think the Chinese still see everyone else as barbarians and devils! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm not sure why you think Singapore newspapers only report bad stuff about China. For us, China is a good place to work and invest and there's lots of good stuff reported too. Anyway, with the internet, we can always access Chinese news online. Like Xinhua and CCTV in both English and Chinese. I just read the Overseas Uighur Group is now accusing the government of stoking tensions by shooting the crowd! That is just so unbelievable... I really doubt the Chinese government would do that. No evidence either. This tragic event is turning into a political football. I am sorry that I might be a little overreactive for your post. I envy your english skill level, or else I can write something about Uighur history. | ||
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
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themonkyguy
Australia149 Posts
On July 08 2009 12:00 CrimsonLotus wrote: Yeah, its not like the chinese goverment has ever shot innocent civilians during times of political unrest... Wait, what? This is a clash between the han and muslim chinese due to racial tension. The chinese government only shoot innocent civilians if they are causing traffic jam in tiananmen square  as far as I can see from most of the video footage they are just shooting tear gas, nothing wrong with that. | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
as far as I can see from most of the video footage they are just shooting tear gas, nothing wrong with that. the problem is now, it's pretty hard to know who is telling the truth. Maybe no one is. In 80's or even 90's, BBC/CNN/VOA were well recognised by young people in China. They just didn't believe CCTV/Xinhua. However, in 21th century, young people realized that BBC/CNN/VOA told as much lies as CCTV/Xinhua. On the contrary, Chinese government improved a lot for public propagandize in recent years. So nowadays most young people prefer to believe CCTV than BBC/CNN. but I guess we are so used to say CCTV is pro-cn government that it's hard to believe that they are actually reporting some facts. | ||
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asleepingpig
China75 Posts
http://www.anti-cnn.com/ In this website, there are many proofs that BBC/CNN sometimes make fake photos in their reports. Such as some reports about Tibet, some of the relative photos are actually from Nepal or India and some of the photos are even edited by photoshop. | ||
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Polus
United States25 Posts
The typical follow up is to berate anyone for failing to see these clear advantages, and for not praising the CCP for its magnanimity. Their argument is highly disingenuous. While it's true that many minorities are allowed more than one child, and that minority children receive a point bonus on their University exams/ 高考, these policies all encourage further ethnic integration. Since many minorities in China do not seek and have never sought integration (including most Tibetans/Uighurs), the argument is based on a false premise, and does nothing to address the litany of abuses and wrongs that the CCP has inflicted on minority peoples and cultures. | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
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Over9k
United States48 Posts
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v1rtu0so
United States140 Posts
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Polus
United States25 Posts
On July 08 2009 13:43 Draconizard wrote: Complete ethnic integration should most certainly be the goal of any nation (perhaps even of the entire world). If everyone were homogeneous, none of these issues would exist. The particulars such as individual culture, religion, etc. are but a small price to pay. That's a pretty extreme statement, and one I disagree with both in general and in particular. "Individual culture, religion, etc," are not a small price. The myriad cultures and religions that make up the human race all have intrinsic value and should not be wantonly marginalized or destroyed to make way for a homogeneous whole. Perfect homogeneity, especially worldwide homogeneity, is an unrealistic expectation in the near or even distant future, and I will not address it further. In the particular, the two minorities I referenced (Tibetans and Uighurs) are disenfranchised and have no real voice in the government. Both regions in which those minorities live were, in the very recent past, completely independent and autonomous from China. To suggest that they should completely integrate with a government that has terrorized them and marginalized them for much of the past 50 years is a ridiculous notion. I believe in democratic principles of government, and I don't think any burden of integration exists on those two peoples until such time as they have some sort of actual political power. | ||
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